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spatch8

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  1. Woo! Yup - that's me agreeing. Some sense at last. All you're doing is giving yourself and the rest of us bad names as anglers.
  2. I like variety. Keeps me guessing and keeps me learning.
  3. No I know chillfactor...serious cash...but a better long-term solution then shooting the things surely. Obviously the fishery owners would struggle to see that if it's them who has to pay up, but still..
  4. Would you have this attitude if you were a river carper?....or a member of a water too big to make it economically viable to fence?....or of a club without the funds to fence any waters?.........yet your waters were being taken apart by otters..... your thoughts please. Yup, otters quite regulary take fish from the waters I fish. I know a lot of the fish in my main water quite well and some of those have been taken by otters. It's a shame and it's tough but that's life. The answer to one species being killed isn't to take out another. I agree...but the same as many wild species...they DO need managing Managing? Yes, to an extent. I just worry that this idea of 'managing' is taken a bit too far by many of us anglers who would rather see most of them dead. Yeah we want our fish stocks safe, but we need to give this more of a rounded view and take a look at the other species effected too (this doesn't just mean otters!). It just isn't as simple as - otters eat carp, get rid of otters. Please dont try to tar me as ill informed or unaware of conservation issues....very sticky ground I can assure you. Managed means simply that....as yet...they are not managed in anyway...in fact numbers are on a very rapid upscale...now do you have any inclination what this can and will spell for the otters themselves aswell as our waters???.....Have you ever seen a mismanaged herd of deer??...and all the ensuing problems they bring with them??...including waterborn disease...etc etc etc ....managed means JUST that. I'm not commenting on you specifically, I mean large parts the carping community as a whole. It's winds me up that this accepted hatred of otters has been growing for little real point. I quite like seeing British Nature doing well personally, it's not another thing to go and complain about and fight for and protest about. Much more important issues out there. This is just life and the cycles and circles in it. You choose to damn the "extreme" opinions of the all or nothing end of the carping fraternity.....yet the extremist view with regards the otters is the one that prevails.....theirs is the view that gets heard....so it isnt a balanced argument at all...anglers are not being given a voice in this debate...and it damn well needs both sides...because if you are as upto date with conservation as you would like to be...well lets look at badgers.....20 plus years protected...populations left unchecked...massive spikes in numbers...estimated numbers at 1,000,000 in mainland UK...they do say that as little as 1% may carry bovine TB....thats still 100,000 carriers.....and after a wipeout of bloodlines in cattle etc etc etc at a cost of 100s of millions and thousands of farms wiped out forever....now they agree that a cull IS actually needed....too little too late.....shouldnt BOTH sides have a fair say over the otter issue before it gets to exactly the same state...only with aquaculture instead of agriculture....or are thousands more set on a pathway to losing bloodlines/strains and business' completely desimated??? Great, so that's why I agreed with you that yes otters should be managed... to an extent. What I disagree with is the attitude of a lot of us carpers. It doesn't do any good for our reputation as a sport and will only be bad for us in the future. Rogue elements in every walk of life...and certainly where passtimes and conservation cross over...always will prevoke heated discussion.....however....NOW you agree they need to be managed....yet you started by saying stop whinging and put fences up???!!!... I did didn't I. I think maybe it helps if you read my posts in a slightly sarcastic tone. I've been saying for quite a few posts that controlled management may be the way forward....or at least sideways....but in all my issue is that many are blowing the problem out of proportion and seem a little too eager to jump to the conclusion of blowing something's head off. I think the way to stop otters in commercial waters should be fencing or nothing and only in areas where otters become a real problem to natural waters should they be managed. Otters causing problems to commercials is simply nature smoothing out mans footprint.
  5. Yes Pete, very true. I truely don't mean to sound arrogant, I do however try to stay positive and honest. Maybe my post that you are refering to wasn't intended to come across quite as serious as you took it.
  6. Would you have this attitude if you were a river carper?....or a member of a water too big to make it economically viable to fence?....or of a club without the funds to fence any waters?.........yet your waters were being taken apart by otters..... your thoughts please. Yup, otters quite regulary take fish from the waters I fish. I know a lot of the fish in my main water quite well and some of those have been taken by otters. It's a shame and it's tough but that's life. The answer to one species being killed isn't to take out another. I agree...but the same as many wild species...they DO need managing Managing? Yes, to an extent. I just worry that this idea of 'managing' is taken a bit too far by many of us anglers who would rather see most of them dead. Yeah we want our fish stocks safe, but we need to give this more of a rounded view and take a look at the other species effected too (this doesn't just mean otters!). It just isn't as simple as - otters eat carp, get rid of otters. Please dont try to tar me as ill informed or unaware of conservation issues....very sticky ground I can assure you. Managed means simply that....as yet...they are not managed in anyway...in fact numbers are on a very rapid upscale...now do you have any inclination what this can and will spell for the otters themselves aswell as our waters???.....Have you ever seen a mismanaged herd of deer??...and all the ensuing problems they bring with them??...including waterborn disease...etc etc etc ....managed means JUST that. I'm not commenting on you specifically, I mean large parts the carping community as a whole. It's winds me up that this accepted hatred of otters has been growing for little real point. I quite like seeing British Nature doing well personally, it's not another thing to go and complain about and fight for and protest about. Much more important issues out there. This is just life and the cycles and circles in it. You choose to damn the "extreme" opinions of the all or nothing end of the carping fraternity.....yet the extremist view with regards the otters is the one that prevails.....theirs is the view that gets heard....so it isnt a balanced argument at all...anglers are not being given a voice in this debate...and it damn well needs both sides...because if you are as upto date with conservation as you would like to be...well lets look at badgers.....20 plus years protected...populations left unchecked...massive spikes in numbers...estimated numbers at 1,000,000 in mainland UK...they do say that as little as 1% may carry bovine TB....thats still 100,000 carriers.....and after a wipeout of bloodlines in cattle etc etc etc at a cost of 100s of millions and thousands of farms wiped out forever....now they agree that a cull IS actually needed....too little too late.....shouldnt BOTH sides have a fair say over the otter issue before it gets to exactly the same state...only with aquaculture instead of agriculture....or are thousands more set on a pathway to losing bloodlines/strains and business' completely desimated??? Great, so that's why I agreed with you that yes otters should be managed... to an extent. What I disagree with is the attitude of a lot of us carpers. It doesn't do any good for our reputation as a sport and will only be bad for us in the future.
  7. Would you have this attitude if you were a river carper?....or a member of a water too big to make it economically viable to fence?....or of a club without the funds to fence any waters?.........yet your waters were being taken apart by otters..... your thoughts please. Yup, otters quite regulary take fish from the waters I fish. I know a lot of the fish in my main water quite well and some of those have been taken by otters. It's a shame and it's tough but that's life. The answer to one species being killed isn't to take out another. I agree...but the same as many wild species...they DO need managing Managing? Yes, to an extent. I just worry that this idea of 'managing' is taken a bit too far by many of us anglers who would rather see most of them dead. Yeah we want our fish stocks safe, but we need to give this more of a rounded view and take a look at the other species effected too (this doesn't just mean otters!). It just isn't as simple as - otters eat carp, get rid of otters. Please dont try to tar me as ill informed or unaware of conservation issues....very sticky ground I can assure you. Managed means simply that....as yet...they are not managed in anyway...in fact numbers are on a very rapid upscale...now do you have any inclination what this can and will spell for the otters themselves aswell as our waters???.....Have you ever seen a mismanaged herd of deer??...and all the ensuing problems they bring with them??...including waterborn disease...etc etc etc ....managed means JUST that. I'm not commenting on you specifically, I mean large parts the carping community as a whole. It's winds me up that this accepted hatred of otters has been growing for little real point. I quite like seeing British Nature doing well personally, it's not another thing to go and complain about and fight for and protest about. Much more important issues out there. This is just life and the cycles and circles in it. I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse. The only reason there is growing hatred of Otters is because they are NOT being managed. Just out of curiosity, what are these more important angling issues out there? Important angling issues..? erm.....in the grand scheme of things not a lot really if we're being honest is there. I mean yeah, we love the sport and spend half our lives on the banks....but it's just a sport. Yeah, some guy brings some French fish over to the UK so they can grow a bit bigger and he can make a bit more cash....not ideal is it. Bit illegal, not really needed. And yeah Eastern European's having a bit of a munch on our carp under darkness....no that's not all that awesome either is it.....but come on.....it's not cancer.
  8. Would you have this attitude if you were a river carper?....or a member of a water too big to make it economically viable to fence?....or of a club without the funds to fence any waters?.........yet your waters were being taken apart by otters..... your thoughts please. Yup, otters quite regulary take fish from the waters I fish. I know a lot of the fish in my main water quite well and some of those have been taken by otters. It's a shame and it's tough but that's life. The answer to one species being killed isn't to take out another. Rubbish. Total green, tree hugging rubbish. We control/manage Foxes, Rats, Mice, Pidgeons, Badgers, Rabbits, Moles and Deer, to name but a few. So why not Otters? Oh yes, because some morons think they are cute. See this is the problem peeps! As anglers we spend the whole time trying to keep up this image of being these great, caring people for the environment. We insist that we do no harm to the fish and are always thinking up new things to use so we can be seen to have even better fish care. Whenever someone posts a picture of a catch up they are slated by us if we can't see a mat, or they aren't holding the fish correctly or low enough... We are terrified of peoples opinions of us because we know that some may potentially see our sport as cruel. Yet as soon as it isn't a carp we don't seem to care. It's hypercritical, narrow-minded and selfish. Do you mean hypocritical? We doon't seem to care about what???? Did you actually read my post? I was making the point that we control many types of animal, so why should be be so precious about Otters? If your house and or garden was crawling with Rats, you'd be on the council to get it sorted. So what's the difference? It is you who is being hypocritical. Alright, great, I made a typo. No need to get personal.. I think you probably know that that should read 'hypocritical'. And yes I did read you post actually, that's why I replied. I thought it demonstrated the lack of care for the environment that many carpers hide behind their image of being great for it quite nicely.
  9. Would you have this attitude if you were a river carper?....or a member of a water too big to make it economically viable to fence?....or of a club without the funds to fence any waters?.........yet your waters were being taken apart by otters..... your thoughts please. Yup, otters quite regulary take fish from the waters I fish. I know a lot of the fish in my main water quite well and some of those have been taken by otters. It's a shame and it's tough but that's life. The answer to one species being killed isn't to take out another. I agree...but the same as many wild species...they DO need managing Managing? Yes, to an extent. I just worry that this idea of 'managing' is taken a bit too far by many of us anglers who would rather see most of them dead. Yeah we want our fish stocks safe, but we need to give this more of a rounded view and take a look at the other species effected too (this doesn't just mean otters!). It just isn't as simple as - otters eat carp, get rid of otters. Please dont try to tar me as ill informed or unaware of conservation issues....very sticky ground I can assure you. Managed means simply that....as yet...they are not managed in anyway...in fact numbers are on a very rapid upscale...now do you have any inclination what this can and will spell for the otters themselves aswell as our waters???.....Have you ever seen a mismanaged herd of deer??...and all the ensuing problems they bring with them??...including waterborn disease...etc etc etc ....managed means JUST that. I'm not commenting on you specifically, I mean large parts the carping community as a whole. It's winds me up that this accepted hatred of otters has been growing for little real point. I quite like seeing British Nature doing well personally, it's not another thing to go and complain about and fight for and protest about. Much more important issues out there. This is just life and the cycles and circles in it.
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