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Oz carping rods....?

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The worst part about picking up a specialist practice is that it generally requires specialist equipment.

 

I mean, REALLY! Specialist baits targetting carp. I have tried worms and maggots, but after countless hours of searching on the Internet and ringing people around the world... I have found this "bread" that everyone speaks of. Strangely enough, this haven of well tested carp bait also had other stuff. Like "corn" and "cheese" as well as intense exotica like "strawberry jam" and "condensed milk". I didn't know if I was going fishing or stocking up the set for "Iron Chef"!

 

But as I look, more and more resources and mixtures for successful carp baits turn up. Much easier to find as you locate the hotspots of knowledge.

 

Now, some things are supported by the Australian Market for Fishing as they're universally required for most fishing.

Some things aren't.

The things that seem to be hardest to find in Australia are long slender carp rods. (Spod rockets and marker floats are cheap enough to risk buying on ebay. Blessed are ebay and paypal for the damage to my bank balance.)

 

I'll admit that most of the fishing with bait and burley in the artificial lakes around Canberra don't require stonking great casts. But every now and then it would be nice to be able to try fishing different places further away from any bank.

 

I've seen a few nice slender carbon beach rods, but nothing that looks like anything in the Matt Haye's clips on youtube.

 

Does anyone have any recommended supply channels or know of where I can get a classic style 12 foot multi piece carp rod in Australia?

 

Or does anyone want to recommend one of reasonable price that can be put at the mercy of the postal system?

 

Regards

Andy.

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As it turns out, I can get two general purpose 12 foot 2.75lb test curve carp rods shipped to my door for 101 Australian dollars.

So rather than giving you the satisfaction, I don't need your assistance.

But thanks for demonstrating your pettiness. I'm sure that you'll continue to exhibit it.

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As it turns out, I can get two general purpose 12 foot 2.75lb test curve carp rods shipped to my door for 101 Australian dollars.

So rather than giving you the satisfaction, I don't need your assistance.

But thanks for demonstrating your pettiness. I'm sure that you'll continue to exhibit it.

 

That’s a very nice reply to my sincere post!

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I could get you unhooking mats, weigh slings, chairs, bed chairs, landing nets, bivies, rod pods, bite alarms and much much more, but to be honest, I can't be bothered with you after your post! So I hope The Royal Mail stings you for the postage! This is my last reply to you on any thread or topic, I wish you well!

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Hmm. Bite alarms are 4 for 30 dollars from ebay. Chairs are 7 dollars from Kmart. Bed chairs are about 22 dollars. Anything sewn up isn't a problem.

Decent triangle landing nets aren't popular here. About the only thing I can't get easily are carp rods. Royal Mail for three rods from the UK is like, 10 pounds. To the other side of the world, it's a steal.

 

But thanks for never replying to me again. I appreciate it.

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Admacdo

 

If you are seriously getting into I'd recommend buying the best quality gear you can afford. If it's potentially a passing craze then probably go for the cheap option '2 rods to your door for $101', but for that price they can't be great quality. I think the shipping on my rods cost almost that much.

 

I know it's stating the obvious but the carp aren't going to look out of the water to make sure it's a proper 'carp rod' before they bite. So you could buy any rod you like that you like the look and feel of... but I'm guessing you have your heart set on having 'real' carp rods?

 

Don't be fooled into the 'specialist' thing, I can guarantee you the secret to success is not about having the flashy modern carping gear and fancy bait recipes, the secret is to use what is between your ears and get in tune with the carp you are fishing for. Keep on learning from others and from your own observations.

 

Do you mind me asking what your fishing background is? How long you've been fishing? Why you're fishing for carp? what you are trying to achieve in your carp fishing?... etc etc.

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Well, actually, I've got my heart set on being able to fish an 80 metre radius without moving. But the ability to cast accurately out to places I can't get to would be handy.

Carping is only big to me at present because I've found another friend from my main sport is also a mad fisherman. We're surrounded by carp lakes in the ACT and although I don't NEED to go with huge rods, it would be nice.

 

I'm currently able to cover a 50 metre radius with no problem using my little 8ft surecatch sensor and another is coming to make a matched pair. With 6lb braid on some little baitrunner reels, they do very well, but I wouldn't push them on anything bigger than 7kg fish as the fast action loses a lot of length and you've not got much with those fun little carbon splinters.

 

Just for fun, I've got a pair of slightly bigger fiberglass rods (with a nice dampening) that I'll run to 10lb braid on when it turns up. They got an outing today with 4kg line on and they cast a treat. If we run into anything bigger than 7kg, to 10, I won't feel so outgunned. ( I have a 1kg 1.8m rod which is huge fun with anything, but a 4kg carp would be tiring for both of us. )

 

My fishing background is one punctuated by various other activities.

I've fly fished around America and Canada and parts of the ACT and NSW. I've moved towards coarse fishing when I was in Adelaide and now I'm carping because I've got options of 5 swims within 5 k's of my house and 12 different swims within 30. So why not? If I can't be bothered stalking trout, I can hit the ponds for carp via woolworths.

 

At last count there were 11 rods in the shed, so two elegant carp rods won't get lonely.

 

I do rather prefer carbon rods and also having a cast with them before buying, but on some cheaper specialised gear I'm willing to take a chance for less than 150 dollars. I've spent a few hours with over 24 grand worth of a dozen fly rods and what I THOUGHT I'd like based on action, was totally wrong based on casting results.

 

As for carp fishing, I believe that learning what's under the water, selecting the best feature and putting the burley in the best spot and presenting the hook bait to THAT spot accurately is probably the most important foundation of carp catching skills.

Planning your fishing time based on temperature, moon phase, pressure and time of year is also pretty important.

 

But not being in front of a computer and resisting sun exposure is rather important too..

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I never said "need". I have a an Interline Surf rod. I can cast that out over 100 metres no problem. I face the same issues in the lake that the Poms have.

It's about coverage.

I can't GET beyond 60, so I don't know how the fishing is out there, but the lake is bigger than 60m across. I could also mix it up as a float rod and lower down baits and floats near the weed beds without having to cast.

 

Long rods just aren't for one thing.

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What are the issues you are facing that the Poms have? Coverage?

 

I think in the UK/Europe they often fish at distance because the carp are pressured so they hang out at that distance because they feel safer there. Most of our Carp don't get a second chance at life so they aren't as wise to anglers as their Carp.

 

Otherwise if they're fishing at distance they're trying to target a certain feature on the lake bed where the carp are feeding, or fishing the margins on the far bank etc. There would usually be a good reason for it other than distance for the sake of it.

 

The only time I find carp would be pushing out off the banks here is if there was a lot more commotion than usual around the banks scaring them out, in which case I probably wouldn't still be fishing there for the same reasons. An average level of disturbance is 'normal' for them so they will come in happily.

 

I'm not saying what you are doing is right or wrong, you can catch at distance especially in the shallower parts of the lake. I'd be interested to know how it all goes.

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Steve, if you go and wander around the lake, you'll find some areas that are inaccessable.

 

Have a look here. The http://maps.google.com.au/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=-35.287364,149.095529&spn=0.002829,0.004951&t=h&z=18

 

The back edges of the weed beds are over 80 metres away. That's a massive increase in target area if I can get to the back of them.

 

The dam wall is just on 217 metres across. With an 80 metre cast I can fish the majority of it.

 

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=-35.299641,149.072612&spn=0.001933,0.004117&t=h&z=19

 

Out here are weed beds and areas surrounded by cover that I can try out. Beyond the range of a normal 60 meter cast with a small rod.

 

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=-35.298665,149.102615&spn=0.003866,0.008234&t=h&z=18

 

 

And that's just with a small look around in one side of the lake.

 

Big rods aren't what you see used in Australia for other than beach casting. If you've got large stretches of shallow water, like the lake is, they give you a lot more options.

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Yeah fair enough if you want to fish distant weed beeds with long casts...

 

I've fished that spot at the end of Weston Park, all I can say is if you are fishing at range look out for kayakers as they love to cut that corner and they'll paddle straight through your lines.

 

I don't know how you will go along the dam wall, it gets deep really quickly I think it goes down to 14-16 metres or something like that. I have a depth map of the lake somewhere. Interested how you would go fishing for carp at that depth, not too good I wouldn't think judging from past experience but give it a try and see I suppose.

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Steve, if you go and wander around the lake, you'll find some areas that are inaccessable.

 

Have a look here. The http://maps.google.com.au/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=-35.287364,149.095529&spn=0.002829,0.004951&t=h&z=18

 

The back edges of the weed beds are over 80 metres away. That's a massive increase in target area if I can get to the back of them.

 

The dam wall is just on 217 metres across. With an 80 metre cast I can fish the majority of it.

 

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=-35.299641,149.072612&spn=0.001933,0.004117&t=h&z=19

 

Out here are weed beds and areas surrounded by cover that I can try out. Beyond the range of a normal 60 meter cast with a small rod.

 

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=-35.298665,149.102615&spn=0.003866,0.008234&t=h&z=18

 

 

And that's just with a small look around in one side of the lake.

 

Big rods aren't what you see used in Australia for other than beach casting. If you've got large stretches of shallow water, like the lake is, they give you a lot more options.

 

Nice images Andy, thats certainly one of the places to add to my list to give a try venues.

Living in Perth thou a little planning what be the call of the day but if the planets align next year I could pay it a visit.

 

Cheers

 

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Thursday saw four 12ft 2.75lb test curve rods turn up in Canberra, courtesy of UPS and a two for one special at a purveyor of fine fishing equipment in the UK.

 

In case anyone is interested, even with the freight of 80 pounds to get them here, they worked out to be 94 dollars each.

Absolute bargain.

The first thing that caught my attention was the size of the guides. These mothers are HUGE. Well, the first one is anyway. Leaving this rod vertical will encourage large athletic men to try smashing a basketball through it.

 

I wandered around some of the various tackle shops in Canberra to see what reel will complement it.

 

At one place the proprietor was quite taken with this rod, having never seen anything quite like it.

 

"Wow. What the hell is that?" he asked.

 

" It's a 2.75lb Test Curve Carp rod. " I said. "It turned up from the UK this morning."

 

"Are you going to fish for Carp with it?" he asked.

 

At this point, I was struck dumb. I guess to me, the point of getting a specialised rod, would be to used it for the purpose that it was bought.

Why would I not fish for carp with a carp rod?

 

I can't think of any way to answer this question other than, "Why would I not?"

 

He suggested that he would use it as a light rod for fishing from the rocks. I guess that I could see that, but there's no way that I'd do it.

 

Unfortunately, (or fortunately) the reel that seem to match it well is my old Shimano Aero baitrunner. The problem is that I only have one, which is currently on my feature finding rod.

 

But for a test cast or two, it found its way onto the new stick with the feature finding 30lb braid still on it.

 

For a bit of a giggle, I bought it with me for today's session. Using big rods underneath trees is a recipe for disaster, but with care, it can be avoided.

 

For the epitome of laziness, I can sit in my chair and cast the big rod out to 40 metres or so with not much more than a flick. With a couple of reasonable sinkers and caution, I get zing it out to 90.

 

With lighter line, no top cover and a shock leader, this thing will be amazing. Then it's just down to getting around to the places on the different lakes to see if we can get all the support baits out to the same distance!

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80 Quid must be the going rate Andy at the moment for rods coming from the UK, I have 3 Diawa 3.25 tc rods on the way as we speak.

Got a set of 2.5,s but I find them lacking a bit of whoomp when fishing at distance with largish pva,s and a 3oz lead.

So looking forward to having them part of the arsenal for our whiskered frends.

 

ATB

 

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Thursday saw four 12ft 2.75lb test curve rods turn up in Canberra, courtesy of UPS and a two for one special at a purveyor of fine fishing equipment in the UK.

 

In case anyone is interested, even with the freight of 80 pounds to get them here, they worked out to be 94 dollars each.

Absolute bargain.

The first thing that caught my attention was the size of the guides. These mothers are HUGE. Well, the first one is anyway. Leaving this rod vertical will encourage large athletic men to try smashing a basketball through it.

 

I wandered around some of the various tackle shops in Canberra to see what reel will complement it.

 

At one place the proprietor was quite taken with this rod, having never seen anything quite like it.

 

"Wow. What the hell is that?" he asked.

 

" It's a 2.75lb Test Curve Carp rod. " I said. "It turned up from the UK this morning."

 

"Are you going to fish for Carp with it?" he asked.

 

At this point, I was struck dumb. I guess to me, the point of getting a specialised rod, would be to used it for the purpose that it was bought.

Why would I not fish for carp with a carp rod?

 

I can't think of any way to answer this question other than, "Why would I not?"

 

He suggested that he would use it as a light rod for fishing from the rocks. I guess that I could see that, but there's no way that I'd do it.

 

Unfortunately, (or fortunately) the reel that seem to match it well is my old Shimano Aero baitrunner. The problem is that I only have one, which is currently on my feature finding rod.

 

But for a test cast or two, it found its way onto the new stick with the feature finding 30lb braid still on it.

 

For a bit of a giggle, I bought it with me for today's session. Using big rods underneath trees is a recipe for disaster, but with care, it can be avoided.

 

For the epitome of laziness, I can sit in my chair and cast the big rod out to 40 metres or so with not much more than a flick. With a couple of reasonable sinkers and caution, I get zing it out to 90.

 

With lighter line, no top cover and a shock leader, this thing will be amazing. Then it's just down to getting around to the places on the different lakes to see if we can get all the support baits out to the same distance!

 

I found the most helpful tackle shop Carp wise was Pratts Tacklebox at Belconnen they gave me no end of help and advice when I started Carp angling and old Brian is a mine of local information angling wise, if your after a suitable baitrunner the the Okuma Epix eb40 or 60's are more than adequate (I've got 3 of them) they do the job as well as my Aero Gte's.

 

You do find that people are quite amazed at the quality and power of imported Carp rods, I remember one bloke being totally blown away when I showed him the distance I could get out of my 3lb tc Odessa on my lake and I'm no distance caster by any stretch, I've also used my Carp gear for beach casting here and it fairly easily out performs most other peoples set ups, so much so that they normally come over to make an enquiry. :)

 

Chris

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Maybe we need someone to start importing them as "Performance beach rods"?

 

If you're going to pay 60 dollars for a Kmart beach rod anyway, why not have something decent for half again as much?

 

Oh well.

 

Finding ready made rod tubes for these rods is problematical.

 

However, I now have solved that issue with a screw top 90mm PVC rod tube. It's sold as a kit with some self assembly required. It's amazing the number of self assembly kits you can find if you walk around for long enough at Bunnings..

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Maybe we need someone to start importing them as "Performance beach rods"?

 

If you're going to pay 60 dollars for a Kmart beach rod anyway, why not have something decent for half again as much?

 

Oh well.

 

Finding ready made rod tubes for these rods is problematical.

 

However, I now have solved that issue with a screw top 90mm PVC rod tube. It's sold as a kit with some self assembly required. It's amazing the number of self assembly kits you can find if you walk around for long enough at Bunnings..

 

Get yourself a proper holdall, carp rods won't appreciate getting banged about in a pvc tube!

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Ta.

The tube is there for external protection when being transported.

It's immeasurablely harder to shut a 90mm tube in the car door.

They have their own individual wraps that prevent them banging together in the tube.

I'm not real keen on these however.

 

Currently I'm deciding between individually knitted tubes or a tool roll sort of internal liner.

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Maybe we need someone to start importing them as "Performance beach rods"?

 

If you're going to pay 60 dollars for a Kmart beach rod anyway, why not have something decent for half again as much?

 

Oh well.

 

Finding ready made rod tubes for these rods is problematical.

 

However, I now have solved that issue with a screw top 90mm PVC rod tube. It's sold as a kit with some self assembly required. It's amazing the number of self assembly kits you can find if you walk around for long enough at Bunnings..

 

God I miss Bunnings!!! B&Q is for muppets and the staff know [censored] all about everything, useless.

Have all my rods stored back on the coast in 90mm tubes with the screw caps and upvc blue glued caps at either end. If you want to go dedicated kit, I travel with the Bazuka from Flambeau. Adjusts to differing rod lengths and lockable. You still need internal padding though. Fly rod bags are better than the jarvis ones which are just lite cotton. I wrap my rods in bed sheets when travelling OS, baggage handlers are not delicate creatures!

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Rodsocks never actually answered back.

However, just for people that might be interested, I happened to see a Silstar Damos combo rod and reel package a few weeks ago. I think it was an 8-12lb 12 foot rod. It looked and felt surprisingly like the carp rods my fishing buddy and I got from the UK. I'm not sure about the equivalent test curve yet, but I'll try and find out.

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