salokcinnodrog Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Here are 2 Base mixes list of ingredients, which is better and which is the food source and which is the attraction bait? Full Fat soya flour Maize flour Wheat flour Milk protein Tigernut flour Semolina Oil seeds Low Temperature Fish Meal Soluble fish protein Krill meal Yeast Betaine Blood powder Sea Salt Sugar Egg products Salmon Oil Soya Bean oil EEC colourings and propylene glycol The second is Cooked Cereals Milk Proteins Soya proteins Maize Rape seeds Wheat Pulses Bird foods Amino acids Vitamins and Minerals Egg EEC permitted flavourings Antioxidants Colouring and Sweeteners The second bait may surprise you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Here are 2 Base mixes list of ingredients, which is better and which is the food source and which is the attraction bait? Full Fat soya flour Maize flour Wheat flour Milk protein Tigernut flour Semolina Oil seeds Low Temperature Fish Meal Soluble fish protein Krill meal Yeast Betaine Blood powder Sea Salt Sugar Egg products Salmon Oil Soya Bean oil EEC colourings and propylene glycol The second is Cooked Cereals Milk Proteins Soya proteins Maize Rape seeds Wheat Pulses Bird foods Amino acids Vitamins and Minerals Egg EEC permitted flavourings Antioxidants Colouring and Sweeteners The second bait may surprise you! Times like this we need CM hawkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusian Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Well send him a PM NM , and when you've got the answer post it as your own thoughts ! . newmarket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 If I wanna get banned I can just do it myself crusian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Here are 2 Base mixes list of ingredients, which is better and which is the food source and which is the attraction bait? Oooo is it a competition Nick For what it's worth ill give it a go 1. Is the attractor 2. Is the Food Source Reason for each mix i will try and breakdown Mix 1 The Bulk Ingredients Full Fat soya flour Maize flour Wheat flour Milk protein Tigernut flour Semolina These are good binders/bulkers but hold little in the way of nutrition, the attractor package Low Temperature Fish Meal Soluble fish protein Krill meal Yeast Betaine Blood powder Sea Salt Sugar These are all well known attractors but there attraction is based on solubility and high amino content due to the way they are processed, I would guess the bait made with this mix would breakdown very quickly but be highly attractive Salmon Oil Soya Bean oil EEC colourings and propylene glycol The oil adds lipids again a massive attractor, I'm guessing with the last but presume bait colour and preservative which would indicate a ready made/shelf life type bait. Mix 2 The bulk ingredients for the second are of much better nutritional value containing elements that are vital to a carp's healthy diet, there is a couple of bits in there that would also add digestion making it a good food option for the fish Cooked Cereals Milk Proteins Soya proteins Maize Rape seeds Wheat Pulses Bird foods The attractors no specific ingredients given but the outline would suggest a mix of items that are in general good for the fishes health. Amino acids Vitamins and Minerals Egg EEC permitted flavourings Antioxidants Colouring and Sweeteners So after writing all that I am sure Nick coming along and tell me i'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoozer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 What's this a Bake off ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Oooo is it a competition Nick For what it's worth ill give it a go 1. Is the attractor 2. Is the Food Source Reason for each mix i will try and breakdown Mix 1 The Bulk Ingredients Full Fat soya flour Maize flour Wheat flour Milk protein Tigernut flour Semolina These are good binders/bulkers but hold little in the way of nutrition, the attractor package Low Temperature Fish Meal Soluble fish protein Krill meal Yeast Betaine Blood powder Sea Salt Sugar These are all well known attractors but there attraction is based on solubility and high amino content due to the way they are processed, I would guess the bait made with this mix would breakdown very quickly but be highly attractive Salmon Oil Soya Bean oil EEC colourings and propylene glycol The oil adds lipids again a massive attractor, I'm guessing with the last but presume bait colour and preservative which would indicate a ready made/shelf life type bait. Mix 2 The bulk ingredients for the second are of much better nutritional value containing elements that are vital to a carp's healthy diet, there is a couple of bits in there that would also add digestion making it a good food option for the fish Cooked Cereals Milk Proteins Soya proteins Maize Rape seeds Wheat Pulses Bird foods The attractors no specific ingredients given but the outline would suggest a mix of items that are in general good for the fishes health. Amino acids Vitamins and Minerals Egg EEC permitted flavourings Antioxidants Colouring and Sweeteners So after writing all that I am sure Nick coming along and tell me i'm wrong I bet there's no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'd say mix 1 is attractor, but if I had to choose which to use it'd also be mix 1. Funny if it is attractor because if, Nick, you have taken to list of ingredients as presented by manufacturers the first mix is more attractive to me because of the names listed, krill, pd fishmeal, yeast la deh dah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted December 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'll admit the top one is a shelf life, on a food value profile, but with instant attraction. Yeast, a very good attractor, and nutritional ingredient Low Temp Fishmeal, the same. Soluble Fishmeal, yet again... Krill Meal, protein, attraction again Blood powder, protein, attraction again... The flavour is strawberry and krill, think someone may be looking for that. Breakdown time is over a few days, longer than the second mix! The second mix is lower in useable utilisable protein from the bulk ingredients, it relies on added Amino Acids for the attraction and nutrition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 So which would be the "better" option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I don't think there is a better option, they both have situations where 1 might trump the other Mix 1 - Stalking/Quick bite tactics or High Attract Hookbait Mix 2 - Feeding over a period of time/long term campaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Wouldn't you say that there are a couple of factors in both mixes which could flip either mix the other way round Nick, for example the stated Milk Proteins, these can vary massively with regards to what they give to a bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted December 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Wouldn't you say that there are a couple of factors in both mixes which could flip either mix the other way round Nick, for example the stated Milk Proteins, these can vary massively with regards to what they give to a bait I agree, but to me milk proteins can't be used as a plain basic protein ingredient on their own; if used as the sole protein source they need added enzymes (think it's Trypsin) to help digest it, which is where Nutrabaits Hi-Nu-Val worked with the added Addit Digest and/or Bengers. If as part of a protein package with other proteins then they work better as the proteins can be utilised. Add to that in Mix two, soya protein is also low in utilisable nutrition, as it is also for humans, (despite what vegetarians tell you), you do need an animal protein. Has anyone worked out what bait Mix two is yet? It is actually two baits from the same stable! Of the two I would be more comfortable fishing the first bait, and have caught on it, yet have blanked on more than one occasion with the second, and I'm positive I can catch a few decent fish. On number two, I have also seen plenty of blanks by other anglers when that bait has gone against other established baits, or even nutritionally better baits fished on the same water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 At a guess and with a little cheating as i know where you now uptake your daily employment Mix 1: Is Crafty Catcher Fast Food Strawberry & Krill Mix 2: Possible From Crafty's Retro Range or maybe Nashbait of some description as i would the finished product from the ingredients would look very nashbaity nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted December 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 At a guess and with a little cheating as i know where you now uptake your daily employment Mix 1: Is Crafty Catcher Fast Food Strawberry & Krill Mix 2: Possible From Crafty's Retro Range or maybe Nashbait of some description as i would the finished product from the ingredients would look very nashbaity 1 is definitely correct, but Mix 2 is Hybrid and Cell! Nash at the moment aren't disclosing the ingredients on the new 4G bags, although it is on the Citruz range. Dynamite are also quiet on their ingredients on most of their shelf life's. I have a feeling a few months ago I posted the Crab Meat and Sea Salt ingredients on here, I think when you asked a question on the same sort of lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Mix 2 is Hybrid and Cell! say no more, with a team of consultants that size the bulk of the budget is going on the name's and not on the product nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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