Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Hi im new here, Iv done some research on the net but im only half way there to what I need to know Last year I broke off 1 spomb and 1 spod when it hits the line clip, I am using 20LB Braid Is it a shock leader I need? Do I just tie this higher LB shock leader to the line at the business end? Edit: Sorry for posting on wrong forum section (good start) Edited March 30, 2016 by Terrorbird Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chillfactor 3,241 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Agree with cm Welcome to the forum. As an edit .... you do have to keep an eye on the braid near the spomb as it can ware as sometimes it tangles around the mechanism of the spomb on the retrieve. A leader also helps with this . Edited March 30, 2016 by chillfactor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 It breaks off at the spod end when the mainline hits the clip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chillfactor 3,241 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 What size spomb / spods are you using? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Im using the normal size spomb, not the mini Im just going to tie on a 5m shock leader on the biz end. Should fix it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chillfactor 3,241 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 If your using the medium size spomb so the middle size in the range , I would of thought the 20lb braid should be coping with that . I would be questioning my knot tbh . I use 50lb arma kord on my setup ( large spomb) as a leader but coupled with whiplash in 45lb . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,594 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 If it's breaking off at the spod end it has to be either a poorly ties knot, rubbish braid, or hitting the clip way, way too hard. Chuck a 50 lb leader on there and use a polomar knot and your issues should be solved. chillfactor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,164 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 i dont get this need for braid and 50lb leaders when spodding i am quite happy to spod away all day on my 3lb test curve warrior just using 15lb mono and a quik link and NEVER cracking off, if you know your mark why do you have to smash into the clip?? are you all saying that i have been doing it wrong all these years? cos if so i had better change my ways now,,,, oh and i suppose all those carp that i have caught spodding this way dont count any more :cry: snoozer and spr1985 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,594 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I use 30 lb braid with a 50 lb leader for the sole reason it will get me wherever I need to be from 20 yards to as far as I can possibly cast. Of course if you can reach your spot with your chosen set up then there's nothing wrong with it. Personally If I tried to cast a spod 100+ I would expect crack-off issues with 15 lb mono. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,164 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I use 30 lb braid with a 50 lb leader for the sole reason it will get me wherever I need to be from 20 yards to as far as I can possibly cast. Of course if you can reach your spot with your chosen set up then there's nothing wrong with it. Personally If I tried to cast a spod 100+ I would expect crack-off issues with 15 lb mono. Honestly if i found that i had to spod 100yds+ from my swim i would just walk round the lake [emoji57] yonny 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,594 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Honestly if i found that i had to spod 100yds+ from my swim i would just walk round the lake [emoji57] lol Of course if your lake was 201 yards to the other side there'd be little point Edited March 30, 2016 by yonny cyborx 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,594 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Bait boats lads, no crack offs silent delivery, no bird probs. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,164 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Whyyyyyyyyyy erm!!! technology CM newmarket, yonny and hutch 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 i dont get this need for braid and 50lb leaders when spodding i am quite happy to spod away all day on my 3lb test curve warrior just using 15lb mono and a quik link and NEVER cracking off, if you know your mark why do you have to smash into the clip?? are you all saying that i have been doing it wrong all these years? cos if so i had better change my ways now,,,, oh and i suppose all those carp that i have caught spodding this way dont count any more :cry: Most times I dont smash it into the clip, but I am rookie and sometimes I overcast. Im getting there tho! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Yeah im guessing its the knot, What should I be using? Edit: I have always used the clinch knot Edited March 30, 2016 by Terrorbird Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 cheers buddy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,164 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Most times I dont smash it into the clip, but I am rookie and sometimes I overcast. Im getting there tho! sorry TB my comment wasn't a dig at you, more an observation of the terminology used when referring to using clipped up line. in probably 90p/c of posts where clipping up is concerned someone invariably refers to 'smashing the clip' and it always leaves me wondering why you would want to abuse your kit like that as it must put some strain on your reel spool and seat at least, when you could just dip the rod tip as soon as the braking tension is felt IMO of course Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,164 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) heres a couple of easy and popular knots for you including the palomar palomar knot none slip knot four turn grinner knot four turn blood knot knotless knot best of luck and tight lines matey oh yeh, welcome to the forum Edited March 30, 2016 by cyborx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,164 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 TB, just actually reading the blog that those knots came from and thought that you might benefit from reading the words of wisdom that came with them, http://kryston.com/articles/ultimate-knots/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salokcinnodrog 3,557 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Welcome to the forum. I won't use braid on a spod or spomb rod, it's mono for me. The elasticity helps reduce crack-offs, I've not had one for years with the spod rod (watch that boast change it ) 15lb Mono to a (currently 40lb grey Greased weasel) shockleader. I have also had braid cut through the tip and butt ring on a spod rod, due to the constant tension on the retrieve, causing a groove in the ring, which did cause crack-offs. I also like my fingers, and a miscast with braid can make a mess, cutting through to the bone. The shockleader is tied on with an overhand knot in the leader, and a Uni knot on the mainline going through the loop, and then around the leader. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dougmoon 38 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 i use 30lb straight through. apart from the first few months learning i have never cracked a pod or spomb off. although i wont normally spomb over 80 odd yards.. its too much hard work !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorbird 0 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 ok that pic that was posted.., the 4 turn blood knot is what I have used since I was a kid but I do it more like 6 turns! Will deffo try the palomar though, seems most popular with braid. I wanted to use braid on my spod as I dont have a dedicated marker rod yet, and braid as a marker rod is obviously better. I just clip the line where the marker is, activate spod mode, add 5/0 yards to the clip and start spodding aiming at a tree in the distance etc yes i know i have alot to learn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben 15 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 The Palomar knot is really easy to tie so a good one to learn for use in low light conditions or bad weather. If you're not spodding too far you could just use your fishing rods for it and keep your marker rod/float in the water as a target. Tie a loop in the end of your main line so you can quickly switch between the spod and a leader (loop to loop connection) with your rig on it. dougmoon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianfrog 192 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Just a thought regarding knots. I was once told that the blood knot imparts a strangulation effect on the line and promotes failure under tension (hitting the clip hard is a sudden shock), both the grinner and palomar are far more line friendly and should be used on most occasions (especially hooks !!!!!) Cheers Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayvid 1,368 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Just a thought regarding knots. I was once told that the blood knot imparts a strangulation effect on the line and promotes failure under tension (hitting the clip hard is a sudden shock), both the grinner and palomar are far more line friendly and should be used on most occasions (especially hooks !!!!!) Cheers Ian You are right ian , never use a blood knot or other types of strangulation knot with braid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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