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How to float a dog biscuit help?

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Hey , everytime i go fishing i use a controller float and a dogbiscuit , but everytime i cast out the dog biscuit sinks.. how can i prevent this from happening? or am i doing somthing wrong? 

 

i was looking at this bottle of water proof spray they use for fly fishing on the flys , makes them more boyent , dunno if this would help?

 

it would be nice to know what im doing wrong , i litrually cast out with my controller float , and the dog biscuit attatched sinks straight away ,

is it best to super glue them on ? is the float to heavy? the line? 

 

please let me know , thanks for your time reading this post.

 

mike

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Firstly, get yourself some Mucilin to coat the lone from the controller to the hook (Not used it myself yet, but Androoooo (User on here) has used it and rates it highly. Good enough for me to get some to replace my vaseline :wink: )

 

Secomdly, I've found that a hook can easily drag down a mixer after a few minutes and have found that a pop up roughly chopped to the shape of a mixer works much better.

 

I've also used (And is my current fave :wink: ) Enterprise Imitation dog biscuits .

 

And it has I have recently been recommended to get some dry flies to try, so I am looking for some that I fancy trying.

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Hey , everytime i go fishing i use a controller float and a dogbiscuit , but everytime i cast out the dog biscuit sinks.. how can i prevent this from happening? or am i doing somthing wrong?

 

i was looking at this bottle of water proof spray they use for fly fishing on the flys , makes them more boyent , dunno if this would help?

 

it would be nice to know what im doing wrong , i litrually cast out with my controller float , and the dog biscuit attatched sinks straight away ,

is it best to super glue them on ? is the float to heavy? the line?

 

please let me know , thanks for your time reading this post.

 

mike

Hi Mike and welcome to the nuthouse .

 

Everything Dal said above is good advice and I also recommend the Enterprise fake mixers , they are triffic and ensure the hook is hidden and clear of the water every time .

 

Now , I'm sure you've already thought of this .

 

But JUST in case you haven't :) and it's easily done :) , but have you checked that your dog biscuits actually float ? :wink:

 

The cheapo Asda dog mixers work a treat by the way :wink:

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Firstly, get yourself some Mucilin to coat the lone from the controller to the hook (Not used it myself yet, but Androoooo (User on here) has used it and rates it highly. Good enough for me to get some to replace my vaseline :wink: )

 

Secomdly, I've found that a hook can easily drag down a mixer after a few minutes and have found that a pop up roughly chopped to the shape of a mixer works much better.

 

I've also used (And is my current fave :wink: ) Enterprise Imitation dog biscuits .

 

And it has I have recently been recommended to get some dry flies to try, so I am looking for some that I fancy trying.

Dal, I've ordered some from here.

 

May also be useful for the Op if you check out the carp flies section.

 

http://www.troutflies.co.uk/

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Hey , everytime i go fishing i use a controller float and a dogbiscuit , but everytime i cast out the dog biscuit sinks.. how can i prevent this from happening? or am i doing somthing wrong? 

 

i was looking at this bottle of water proof spray they use for fly fishing on the flys , makes them more boyent , dunno if this would help?

 

it would be nice to know what im doing wrong , i litrually cast out with my controller float , and the dog biscuit attatched sinks straight away ,

is it best to super glue them on ? is the float to heavy? the line? 

 

please let me know , thanks for your time reading this post.

 

mike

Firstly welcome to carp.com :D

 

When it comes to floater fishing choose your gear with care, from hooks, hooklink, the dog biscuits you use, and even how you attach your bait.

 

Hook wise I use a range for floater fishing, Solar 101's in size 10, Drennan Super Specialists in size 8, 10 and 12, and if the lake is snag free Drennan Specialists or for snaggier waters Gardner Chod hooks in barbless size 8 or 10.

 

Again I use a range of hooklink materials, dependant on water and fish, Drennan Sub Surface Fly leader, 12-15 lb, Berkley Trilene XL in 7lb, or Preston Reflo Powerline in 10. whatever ounces it is.

 

Around 10 years ago, Pedigree changed the make up of the dog biscuits they make, so although they make good freebies, as a hookbait they have changed to useless, and the weight of the hook will sink many of them. I now use either neutral pop-ups which I get from work, (Crafty Catcher factory is in our main warehouse), or Bakers Complete, the big chunky ones, and the others as freebies. Tesco, Sainsbury's and other supermarket own brands are often better as bait than Pedigree.

 

 

To start I cut off a length of hooklink material, a minimum of 4feet, roughly the spread from arm to arm outstretched. I then tie a uni knot loop in the end, this is to put the dog biscuit in, without using a baiting needle. The hook is then attached knotless knot method, with the bait very tight to the hook shank.

 

I often freeline at shorter ranges, less disturbance, and I have had fish to over 20lb from under my feet with careful feeding, and being as quiet as possible, and in a reedy swim, there is less to catch in the rushes I sometimes fish :wink:

If I freeline the hooklink is attached to the mainline with a 4turn water knot, but if using a controller a size 12 swivel connects the mainline to hooklink. On the mainline I push a floating bead over the swivel after putting the controller on the line. This stops the swivel sinking and pulling the bait closer to the controller float.

 

Strangely enough, although other people rate them, I have never done any good on fake dog biscuits like the Enterprise ones!

 

Make sure your mainline is a floating mainline, many main lines do sink, so choose carefully, or as I do coat it in Kryston Greased Lightning, which makes it float.

The hooklink I want to float, or lie naturally just under the surface, neutral buoyancy, with the exception of the last few centimetres to the hook, which I want to sink, which I think cuts down on underwater shadow or silhouette of the last little bit.

 

There is also another very sneaky way of removing the silhouette of the last inch or so of hooklink, does involve a bit of work, but can be worthwhile.

Cut a normal boilie in half, and glue it to a disc of foam. In the foam cut a small slit, and superglue a hook in, with the eye pointing out at an angle of 45degrees. You can then attach your line to it, and the last bit of line is above the water with no give away shadow or silhouette.

 

Of course, you must keep that one very quiet! :!::wink:

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Nice one, Andy. That's a great little site. Dog biscuits, bread, flies; looks like I'm gonna need a fly box as well now :wink:

I'm unsure which ones would be good got zig bugs but when you compare the cost to what the carp tackle manufacturers want, you can clearly see the carp tax that's applied.

 

I've got some on order, thought I'd already ordered but the transaction didn't complete. Hopefully this time I've done it right.

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I'm unsure which ones would be good got zig bugs but when you compare the cost to what the carp tackle manufacturers want, you can clearly see the carp tax that's applied.

 

I've got some on order, thought I'd already ordered but the transaction didn't complete. Hopefully this time I've done it right.

 

With the prices that they are charging, I've got no issue with buying a selection to see how they fair.

 

The only downside is that they don't seem to offer a barbless option (Most of the waters I'm fishing at the moment are barbless only :( ); although, it's not a major issue as I can crush the barb.

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