gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 How do you get away with illegally occupying someone elses land ,sometimes massacring whole villages , constantly expanding into your neighbours land , when they resist with a few home made rockets , you use the most sophisticated weapons ever made to create a bloodbath , you then make sure you are already in a position to muzzle the press and media so they can't even use words like disproportionate in describing the events ! Im not a Corbyn fan , but i feel he was never given a chance because of his backing of Palestine , i feel he is desperately clinging on until the Chilcot report is out , as that will give him some ammo to oust some of his enemies (Zionist's) anti Zionism is not about being anti Jewish , there is a large amount of jews who are anti zionist , to me its more about exposing the cancer that has spread through English and more so , American politics since the 1930's and the negative influence on our media , before anyone wants to jump up and down shouting racist , watch the documentary ! if you have not seen it before it could be a real eye opener , i stumbled upon it by accident , when i had some time on my hands As a politician in America as in the uk , if you don't pledge allegiance to the Zionist cause your going to have a rough ride , unless you have limitless funds ! Trump . 1 nealjt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tapenhall 5 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Saw the thread title and hoped it was about Zander... 1 1 Donnygooner and nealjt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nealjt 498 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 The whole Israel thing just blows my mind! And the fact that we as a nation have a hand in it is utterly shameful. It makes me laugh how anyone that speaks out against the things Israel does instantly become racist and anti-semetic [emoji34] [emoji34] we live in a sad hypocritical world! I don't support Hamas or how the Palestinians have retaliated but I can see why. If my family was terrorised and I was bulldozed out of my home I would hunt the perpetrators down!!! I am dissapointed with Corbyn though. He would have so much more power if he had voiced up to leave the eu and not "played the game" Either he is the only decent politician in parliament or he his utterly insane, I can't work out which! Ultimately because he hasn't consistently stood up with what he believes I feel he is the same as the rest [emoji25] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keeno86 255 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 i dont know enough on the situatuion to really comment on it but i will say watching a documentary can be very biased to either side of any argument. im not condoning or against what is happening over there but i think the topic itself has no place on a carping forum. its a bit heavy and ive seen similar topics get very heated resulting in bans or members leaving the forum. lets stick to our carpy chat and banter. there are many places on the net where this sort of thing can be discussed, i dont think this is the best place for it. 5 dayvid, nealjt, cyborx and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nealjt 498 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Gagna you Legend! You've found the line not to be crossed [emoji12] 1 spr1985 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 The point i was trying to make is the extent to which our political system and media has been corrupted and influenced , in my opinion negatively , by an external power ! and the way the conflict over in the middle east is portrayed is an example of that ! and occasionally it spills out and we get a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes at Westminster , and this is whats happening right now with Corbyn , sure he is my old geography teacher It gets serious for me , when this foreign influence , via America and a few corrupt English politicians can drag us into wars , 2 spr1985 and nealjt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nealjt 498 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 True, dont cross it, i am half Irish and have deep republican sympathies, it is a place we dare not go, i have clashed with right wing tories on a political website on Irish issues, this is similar, not for here, history as imposed these scars on our souls, move on chaps, that one is not our fight, we have things closer to home much more pressing.Fair points CM and Dovi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nealjt 498 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Although I think that is probably why both sides carry on as it isn't "allowed" to be discussed. Not a dig at either of you dovi or cm. Time and place is correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Hillsborough the extent of the establishment cover up was breath taking even when the facts were exposed for all to see for so long , don't expect too much cm , i hope i am wrong though sometimes i wish i hadn't delved so deeply into our uglier side of politics , but after the run up to the Iraq war , it smacked you in the face that something was very wrong , you just couldn't make sense of the reasoning and that there had to be other forces at work , now i find it more interesting than most of the drivel i see on tv 2 spr1985 and nealjt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bivvystreet 317 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 The point i was trying to make is the extent to which our political system and media has been corrupted and influenced , in my opinion negatively , by an external power ! and the way the conflict over in the middle east is portrayed is an example of that ! and occasionally it spills out and we get a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes at Westminster , and this is whats happening right now with Corbyn , sure he is my old geography teacher It gets serious for me , when this foreign influence , via America and a few corrupt English politicians can drag us into wars , Think he's everybody's old geography teacher,can smell the coffee through my telly I'm sure I can Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spr1985 1,148 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Simple..... War is a profit machine, rockefellers and rothschilds love a bit of profit..... World banks..... Syria and gadaffi didn't have one Iraq and Sadam didn't have one....... Actually they point blank refused them funny how they all of a sudden became tyrannical and terrorists. Osama bin laden..... From one of the richest family's in the world was a CIA agent in 1985.... Oooopsie he became a terrorist too! Our governments are selected not elected, just puppets in the bigger game giving us illusion of democracy. I'm just saying what I think a couple of others won't just say blatantly..... Look up false flag incidents and rockefellers and rothschilds. The Brexit is the least of this worlds problems. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4 nealjt, pooter, muftyboy and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spr1985 1,148 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Oh and opinion may be that this topic is too deep and the wrong for a carp forum..... But so is over payed ballerinas (foot ball) and tarantulas and the like but those subjects are on here and are not about carp. I quite like that a thread has popped up that will cause debate, it's a mater of maturity wether it turns to arguments and people leaving the forum (throwing rattles out the pram) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 nealjt, bobstains and dayvid reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nealjt 498 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Agreed spr, however I've not seen replies such as dovi's and CM's (two quite different people) appear so quickly so maybe it is better saved for bankside discussion to avoid an out right carp.com war probably ending in walls being built and segregation being enforced [emoji12] [emoji25] [emoji39] For those that like alternative news I can recommend abovetopsecret.com you'll have to wade through lots of bs and craziness but every now and again there are some very knowledgeable and sane people on their that can offer great insight into worldly goings on [emoji39] Oh and on the note of corrupted media my father in law was in Baghdad and called home to say he was safe as the bombing had started but this was hours before the stated deadline and a long time before the media was reporting "live" the first strikes . I understand the obvious advantage and need that it shouldn't be public knowledge when big stuff happens, and I've no argument there but it is a great example for me to not believe what is shown on the news ! 2 spr1985 and cyborx reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newmarket 2,078 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Anyway , this fishing lark..... 1 nealjt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayvid 969 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Yea this fishing lark , well done a quick overnighter , Midnight till around 10 in he morning , caught one lost one . Fished a match today ,came fourth on banded pellet fished shallow, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyborx 2,160 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 so yeh! this phishing lark. did you hear about the bombings in baghdad? 1 nealjt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted January 8, 2017 the tip of the iceberg ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted January 13, 2017 Here we go everyone , im sure you have heard the one about the anti semitic Labour politician or should i say , the labour politician critical of Israels aparthied system that will never result in a 2 state solution as they dont want that . well here is part of the proof , this lot needs to be got rid of , its scary the depth this cancer has infiltrated uk politics , Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) something else thats rearing its ugly head "fake news " buy any newspaper , even the guardian and you will get a dose , worsed being the express , sun , even the great BBC the rise of alternative news and media sites is making it all too apparent , strange times ! Edited January 14, 2017 by gagnaccarp 1 spr1985 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gagnaccarp 222 Report post Posted November 10, 2017 seems to be rearing its ugly head again recently ,(not that it ever went away ) Mrs Priti Patel and a secret meeting with Netanyahu ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
levigsp 409 Report post Posted November 18, 2017 Its strange for me to see and hear some peoples misguided ideas about Israel the Palestinians etc. I lived in Israel, Jordon and Syria for a while and the news in the UK has been deliberately skewed for many years. People should go to a public library and actually read up on the real history of Israel/ Palestine and Jordon etc and not listen to journalists and news people trying to make a name for themselves. You might be very surprised by the REAL British involvement, the real reason Israel's land was handed to them etc. I am not a Jew by the way, I was raised as Catholic by Jesuit Priests . I'm not going to go into it anymore than to say this, if you had home made rockets launched at you every day [not just a few] you would want to wipe the senders of the face of the earth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salokcinnodrog 2,962 Report post Posted November 20, 2017 The whole world is governed by the war machines it seems, and the need to make money at all costs, from goodness knows how many colonies in Africa, India (and its subsequent break up into separate states), American Civil War, Asia with Korea and Vietnam, even Russia with Afghanistan, the list goes on. Lets blame Afghan for terrorist attacks, Libya, Iraq, for WMD, then 'invade' to clear it up. To be honest, many Arab countries are upset at capitalism not trickling down with more money going into their economies. Iran, Iraq and Libya then supposedly backed terrorism in the 'civilised' world. Israel has been a hotbed in The Middle East for hundreds of years, long before it became again the Jewish homeland. Three major religions all have their roots in Jerusalem, thats a war footing for a start. The Palestinians don't want to be moved, Israel needs to but can't expand to cope with their population, Anti-Semitism is rife in most Arab countries in that Israel should not exist, and all blame USA and UK for its very existance. Problem is Priti Patel had her own agenda, and Theresa May is NOT a strong enough leader of her political party to hold her ministers in check. A guerilla army often wins against most organised forces, because the organised forces expect set battles, whereas the guerilla tactics are aimed at avoiding set piece battles, and even air warfare can't pin down guerilla forces, unless you also have troops on the ground; something that America and UK need to relearn, and that Soviet Russia learnt in Afghanistan. How about the US and UK governments concentrated on rebuilding their own countries rather than interfere in other nations... 1 levigsp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
