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Fishing for river carp

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I thought I'd give a diary a go so I can keep track of my fishing and hopefully pick up a few tips from other members :)

Yesterday I went fishing down my local canal, it was that caked in weed I wasn't able to fish it. The stretch I was going to try fishing and where the carp usually are was that green it was like a football field lol, so I went over to the river for a walk to see if there was any fish showing, my watercraft isn't the best so I'm not sure what they were but I'm sure it was fish lol. I also spoke to the bailiff and he was saying that there is carp around there, so I'm keen to give it a good go down there and its an ideal spot because its not that far from home so I can spend the evenings after work down there. It's the tidal part of the river (pretty close to the estuary) and it gets quite strong when the tide is going out and on its way back in.

The kit I'm thinking of using is:

3 x 13ft 3.25t/c rods, I've got 3 x 9ft 2.75lb rods but I don't think they'll do the job

3 x big pit reels loaded with 15lb daiwa sensor 

End tackle is 1m of 45lb lead core heli rig style with 2.5 - 5oz leads (depending on how fast its flowing) and the hook link will be about 10 - 12" of 25lb braid with a size 6 korda wide gape hook. Should I use a leader as well? I'm not sure if its safe to be used when using lead core.

For bait I'm gonna use a mix of vitalin and maize with a bit of corn oil and maize as hook bait, from what I've read the oil will help when fishing a river because it will carry food particles down stream or something like that?  

The way I'll fish is 1 rod up stream, 1 rod out in front and 1 down stream in the near margin. I'm not sure about what angle the rods should be at and if I should use back leads? Should the rods be up in the air like you do when beach casting so a lot of the line is out of the water and should back leads be used, because there's hardly ever any boat traffic there and  wouldn't the flow move the back lead because of how light they are? I'll either mold the ground bait around the lead with the hookbait inside it or I'll throw in a few balls around each rod, I probably won't bother with prebaiting as such, but I'll throw in any groundbait I have left after each session. 

Anyway hopefully the next time I update this i have banked a fish :D cheers 

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7 minutes ago, David_gravesend said:

Wow what river you fishing the Zambezi!?! 

Id say you're existing rods would be fine and personally wouldn't be using leadcore, keep the rigs simple and strong and you'll do well. 

Haha that's good mate the smaller rods are a lot lighter to carry and use, I was just worried about the weight they have to cast so I thought the 3.25tc rods would of been better 

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7 hours ago, carpmachine said:

Wow, i love river carping, but fishing a tidal estuary is not on my agenda, i live too far inland, the nearest is 40 miles away, so i give you advice in good faith without much experience of your target. Normally i would advise sweetcorn/maize everytime and avoid boilies, but with the tidal effect, prebaiting may be useless, you need high impact baits, fishy boilies, prawns, liver, feeder, vitalin and a two and a half foot tail fished downstream, dont upstream ledger unless using a big weight and fishing bowstring, you hit the time your tip comes back straight, very difficult technique. Fish downstream tight lined close to the near bank, forget three rods, the second rod on the far bank, beachcaster to avoid the flow, the near rod low and tight, space the baits many yards apart with the far bank much closer, dont bother prebaiting, waste of time, too much movement, your tackle is over the top, fish 15 nylon down to twelve behind a feeder, dont backlead if no boats, it scoops weed, and try to fish when the river is at peak height or thereabouts.

Thanks for the reply cm, honestly mate the far bank is like a big cliff made from mud where the river has been flowing through there for hundreds of years lol something prehistoric about it. I like the idea of using liver and I'll give it a go because I might catch an eel... And I love catching them lol. I was thinking of adding tigernuts to the mix if I get breamed out and use them on the hook link. Also about the gear I'm using, from what I've read online big strong tackle is needed, I don't mind using lighter stuff it's just if I do hook up to a carp, is be gutted if I lost it due to the light gear I was using lol. I'll give what you said about the rods and positions a try and see how it goes mate, thanks!

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I was watching a video earlier of some guy fishing in France, he put a load of chilli powder and black pepper powder in with his ground bait, he was saying the bream won't go near it because of the pepper, is this true??

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I've had to find a new swim, the one I was fishing was on a pretty high steep bank and when it rains it gets a bit ropey. I slipped, took out the rods and nearly ended up in the river last time, so I don't fancy fishing there again lol. I've spent the last 2 days searching the stretch for a new spot and I must say its been difficult, the banks are that high in most places it'll be pretty much impossible netting a fish. But anyway, I've found a spot about 3ft above water level with access getting down to the water if needed, and a little bit down stream on the far bank is a water outlet where water gets pumped into the river from a water treatment place, and from my doing a bit of searching online I've found some photos of carp that's been caught there (you can see the outlet in the background) so I'm planning on giving it a go down there this weekend. I haven't prebaited it at all, but hopefully get down Friday evening and put some bait in, maybe fish a few hours, then go back Saturday put some more bait in and fish for the day and maybe the same for Sunday. Not sure how much bait I should be putting out but friday I'll put about 5kg of boilies, maize, pigeon conditioner and vitalin in, then I'll put out about half that on Saturday and Sunday 

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baiting without fishing gets them confident enough to feed on a spot. Putting a hook amongst it straight away may result in a bite or two but it will likely kill the spot and they'll avoid it from then on. Then you'll have to find a new one!! Personally i'd bait it friday with 5kg, 5kg saturday (hopefully its clear water and you can see if its been eaten or not) and then 5kg on sunday (again if it's all gone) put in 5kg every other day next week and then fish that week after giving the spot plenty of free food for the carp. 

If you can get round the other side and look form the outlet hopefully you can see the bottom and see any snags, etc that you may need to avoid. It'll make baiting easier (even if crashing through brambles, etc is required) and let you see if your bait is being eaten.

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On 13/09/2017 at 16:33, greekskii said:

baiting without fishing gets them confident enough to feed on a spot. Putting a hook amongst it straight away may result in a bite or two but it will likely kill the spot and they'll avoid it from then on. Then you'll have to find a new one!! Personally i'd bait it friday with 5kg, 5kg saturday (hopefully its clear water and you can see if its been eaten or not) and then 5kg on sunday (again if it's all gone) put in 5kg every other day next week and then fish that week after giving the spot plenty of free food for the carp. 

If you can get round the other side and look form the outlet hopefully you can see the bottom and see any snags, etc that you may need to avoid. It'll make baiting easier (even if crashing through brambles, etc is required) and let you see if your bait is being eaten.

I done what you said mate, but I've been baiting up every 2 sometimes 3 days and haven't fished it yet. Because of the foam/bubbles or whatever it is you struggle to see the bottom, but I've kept the bait going in. Anyway, went down there after work to put some more out and when I got to my swim I've noticed someone's been there fishing!! There were empty packs of sticky baits boilies and halibut pellets. I've kind of lost my confidence wanting to fish it now lol

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On 29/09/2017 at 06:49, greekskii said:

Gutting mate. Either someone saw fish there or they saw you prebaiting it and jumped on your hard work. Or it may have been a chancer. Sad that they left their rubbish though. Not good. 

Id still give it a go. No reason not too. 

Yeah mate I took the rubbish with me and went back today and from what I can see no one has been there since. Well there wasn't any rubbish anyway. You'd have thought people would take extra care with rubbish etc so it doesn't look like you've been there lol. I had a bag of layers mash that's just gone past it's best before date so I balled it all up and chucked it in, hopefully they'll have it. Gonna give it a go a few nights this week after work :)

On 29/09/2017 at 06:58, carpmachine said:

Aint necessarily so, if they have seen fish its a plus, and they may have helped with the prebaiting, they may have blanked, boilies are a no no for me on a river, having had a mobile home for 14 years on the nene and religiously night fished it after work on afternoons 4 times a week, sweetcorn has no equal, boilies proved a waste of time.

I've been chucking some boilies in the mix so the small fish don't nail it right away mate. But yeah like you say atleast they've put some bait in the swim lol

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I loaded all the fishing gear up this morning, 2kg of boilies rolled and a bucket of vitalin, pigeon conditioner and corn ready. Hopefully get down there about 1pm. Low tide at 2pm and high tide at 8pm. Hopefully stay there till about 10ish..unless it gets too cold lol 

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I blanked, fished from low tide till the high tide flooded my swim.. It got a bit hairy when it started creeping behind me in the reeds so called it a night and packed up, on the way back I had water go in over my wellies so had cold wet feet on the way to the car lol. I'll try high to low tide next time :)

Was a good experience though, its quite the sight seeing logs get pushed up the river when it should be flowing down lol. 

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First time out in a few months, not sure if its a wise idea or not but its blooming fresh :lol: 2 carp rods out on PVA bags filled with small pellets and a halibut pellet topped with a fake bit of maize. Also taking a float rod with a pint or maggots. Just hoping to catch something, I'll be happy with a roach lol. Tide will be from low to high, but fishing further up the river so might still be in with a chance. I'll let you know how I get on! :D

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I couldn't of been less prepared lol. After walking 20 minutes with all my gear and setting up I realise I left my lighter in the car and the spare wasn't in my tackle box. Luckily I managed to bodge a light with a battery from one of my delkim alarms and the chain from a key ring. I was over the moon I got my Fag lit..failed to do it a second time though haha.

I really need to get myself some decent foot wear sorted, I wore a pair of welly boots and a pair of socks. My feet were painfully cold and damp, I think I need some of them thermal inserts or whatever they are lol. 

Fishing was bad, I had a knock on the left rod but could of been something hitting the line under the water. Nothing on the float rod either.. Feel like taking up golf :lol:

 

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Sounds like fun...:). I take it no brew either?...  At least you got out mate.... Not sure I'd of lasted long with cold feet and no smokes... That's the trouble when you have to walk your gear, feet sweat up, hard to get them warm once damp.

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31 minutes ago, jh92 said:

I really need to get myself some decent foot wear sorted, I wore a pair of welly boots and a pair of socks. My feet were painfully cold and damp, I think I need some of them thermal inserts or whatever they are lol. 

Have a look at the skeetex ultralights, I’ve recently got some and can’t fault them really 

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21 minutes ago, Big Common said:

Sounds like fun...:). I take it no brew either?...  At least you got out mate.... Not sure I'd of lasted long with cold feet and no smokes... That's the trouble when you have to walk your gear, feet sweat up, hard to get them warm once damp.

Na mate didn't bother with tea, just a can of monster and a bottle of water lol. Yeah it was nice to get a for a few hours, feels good to be on the sofa now :D I'm gonna have a look for a few more spots for the next couple months and try and find somewhere that's got concrete or gravel. My gear got damp and muddy because I was setup on grass and now I've had to empty everything and hang it up lol

1 minute ago, spr1985 said:

Have a look at the skeetex ultralights, I’ve recently got some and can’t fault them really 

Cheers mate I'll have a look now 

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On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 18:18, jh92 said:

Can't edit my post but I meant is it worth it at this time of year? I take it they don't slow down as much in the winter as the carp do in lakes? 

In theory JH, they should be expending some energy just to hold in any current, even in slack areas. So they will need to replace spent energy more often than lake carp that are held up in snags with no current... In theory that is..... Good luck mate.

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