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Looking to start using solid pva bags. I've only ever used lead clip systems however so I'm just wondering what bits and pieces will be best for getting me started. I realise I'll need an inline lead along with some kind of leader. Ready tied leader or self made etc. I know I'll need a supple hooklink. Just looking for some help and pointers so I buy the correct end tackle really. 

I've only really got knowledge of lead clip systems and rig tubing, a bit lost when it comes to leaders etc.

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29 minutes ago, Richard713 said:

Looking to start using solid pva bags. I've only ever used lead clip systems however so I'm just wondering what bits and pieces will be best for getting me started. I realise I'll need an inline lead along with some kind of leader. Ready tied leader or self made etc. I know I'll need a supple hooklink. Just looking for some help and pointers so I buy the correct end tackle really. 

I've only really got knowledge of lead clip systems and rig tubing, a bit lost when it comes to leaders etc.

You don't have to use an inline lead, honest:wink:

 

I use run rings, with solid bags, and no leaders, although braid or coated braid hooklinks do help.

 

Lead clips with solid bags can discharge the lead, but run rings don't.

 

Hookbait in bottom corner, put freebies in bag, then hooklink, more free pellets, then lead. Lick and twist around mainline or tubing if you use it.

 

Try this :

 

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Jesus Rich its like you read my mind! I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday. after looking at some videos and some articles, You can do with with a lead clip no problem, the problem you face is that you cant pre make the bags unless you have some sort of loop to loop knot. Not a massive issue really unless your like me and only fish after work through the night before going back to work. I made 2 bags and they are already on my rods (rods are marked up as i know where im fishing) so i can just chuck them when i arrive, Then will just use mesh for the rest of the night should i catch.

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A question for the solid bag users; does it bother you that when you get done by mr carp (which IMO happens a hell of a lot) your original presentation is lost? I've used and caught on bags many times over the years but IMO once a pick-up is attempted and the carp aint hooked you're basically praying that the soft braided hook link is still presented as intended?

It's really turned me off bags with pretty much any bait other than those you know the carp will nail themselves first time (maggots and worms etc....).

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8 hours ago, yonny said:

A question for the solid bag users; does it bother you that when you get done by mr carp (which IMO happens a hell of a lot) your original presentation is lost? I've used and caught on bags many times over the years but IMO once a pick-up is attempted and the carp aint hooked you're basically praying that the soft braided hook link is still presented as intended?

It's really turned me off bags with pretty much any bait other than those you know the carp will nail themselves first time (maggots and worms etc....).

Not really for me, simple reason being I have seem silver fish move the rig, the hook and bait away from the contents of the bag. If I have got the whole feeding situation and baited area right the boilie is picked up as 'oops I missed one'. 

I normally fish a whole bag as over a baited area, not usually  on its own.

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9 hours ago, yonny said:

A question for the solid bag users; does it bother you that when you get done by mr carp (which IMO happens a hell of a lot) your original presentation is lost? I've used and caught on bags many times over the years but IMO once a pick-up is attempted and the carp aint hooked you're basically praying that the soft braided hook link is still presented as intended?

It's really turned me off bags with pretty much any bait other than those you know the carp will nail themselves first time (maggots and worms etc....).

I use solid bags but have never liked the idea of putting the lead and all in the bag, i use a combi rig so getting that in a bag probably wouldn't happen, what i do is fill the bag with bolie crumb and a squirt of liquid, then close it tight making the shape of the bag similar to an icing bag. Thread the rig through and attach to the lead, works well once you get used to casting it, you will never get the long distance as a traditional solid bag rig, but i prefer it and it gives a lovely presentation of the rig, don't like the PVA netting for a stick mix.

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I'm more worried about the way the rig sits after it's been moved rather than whether it's still with the bait from the bag guys.

12 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

I have seem silver fish move the rig

All the more reason to be concerned IMO.

11 hours ago, Carpbell_ll said:

it gives a lovely presentation of the rig

See I think if a decent carp even swims past the rig the resulting water displacement will mean that presentation will be lost?

I guess what I'm saying is I struggle to stay confident using rigs with no re-setting properties. I've tried stiffer materials in bags but they just tend to kink up and look a bit pants.

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On this topic..what is the best way to do a bag...

Fill half way cut down sides n tie round hooklength.

Fill to about n inch from top n twist round n wet the twisted.

Fill to about n inch from top n tie with pva string.

Or just use mesh pva n hookthrough...dont like stick mix way..

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18 minutes ago, yonny said:

I'm more worried about the way the rig sits after it's been moved rather than whether it's still with the bait from the bag guys.

All the more reason to be concerned IMO.

See I think if a decent carp even swims past the rig the resulting water displacement will mean that presentation will be lost?

I guess what I'm saying is I struggle to stay confident using rigs with no re-setting properties. I've tried stiffer materials in bags but they just tend to kink up and look a bit pants.

To me that is what the hair rig is for, to allow the bait to be sucked in, it has reset itself. I try to make my hairs so that the hair won't tangle on being moved.

A braided hooklink can be fished tight (although why would you intentionally pull back to straighten it?), slack, coiled or loose. If the bait is moved, as it is sucked in, the hooklink being braided, it can turn round on the bait being taken in.

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Gonna give em a go 2moz on my local lake got some NGT 80x100 mm long ones.....BUT found out last night ..even thought its only 5min drive..he has gutted his old match pond knocked through to his speci and made it massive specimen pond...introduced catfish n sturgeon..

Carp to 30lb

Cats to 60lb

Sturgeon 25lb+

I want the carp but not so sure on the other 2 creatures ??

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6 minutes ago, Highy said:

Gonna give em a go 2moz on my local lake got some NGT 80x100 mm long ones.....BUT found out last night ..even thought its only 5min drive..he has gutted his old match pond knocked through to his speci and made it massive specimen pond...introduced catfish n sturgeon..

Carp to 30lb

Cats to 60lb

Sturgeon 25lb+

I want the carp but not so sure on the other 2 creatures ??

Might find the carp go quite now the cats have been introduced, Thats what i have found on waters. I have caught a cat on carp gear, Loved it mate. I will do some proper cat fishing at some point so dont worry! Just pack some forceps.

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36 minutes ago, yonny said:

Interesting, how do you go about doing that Nick?

Shrink tube continued down the shank, and not stripping the coating off the braid on the hair apart from a small hinge where it leaves the hook

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16 hours ago, Richard713 said:

I've never used in line leads before. Will a swivel lock inside the end of the lead once you've pulled your leader through it? 

If you ram the swivel right in it can lock up. I don't use in lines much these days. But when I do, I'm looking for an instant bolt effect, so a tight swivel doesn't bother me. If you want some movement on the lead end of the rig, then a ring swivel is one option you can try.

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2 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

Shrink tube continued down the shank, and not stripping the coating off the braid on the hair apart from a small hinge where it leaves the hook

I've used similar, especially when using a long hair. I just use a small length of .5mm tubing threaded onto the hair before adding the bait. Creates a stiff hair. I left a tiny,tniy space to give slight movement. I was playing about with anti-eject properties at the time. Caught a few, blanked a few, nothing conclusive.

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On 14/09/2017 at 11:07, Big Common said:

If you ram the swivel right in it can lock up. I don't use in lines much these days. But when I do, I'm looking for an instant bolt effect, so a tight swivel doesn't bother me. If you want some movement on the lead end of the rig, then a ring swivel is one option you can try.

I've just bought some fox inline leads and korda ring swivels. I can push the swivel into the online lead but it is rather tight. I'm just concern it might not be safe ?

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You can always pinch the swivel eye with some forceps, just a tad to make it slightly oval in shape. Or if you are dropping the lead and your leader is running on the outside of the lead to a tail rubber you can trim the thin end of the tail rubber, and take a bit off the insert before you slide it on and don't push it right up tight..... TBH I dislike tail rubbers and opt for a softer silicon sleeve which makes it easier for the lead to dislodge. If you don't have any, then trim the tail rubber right down so about 5mm of the thicker end is left. A quick head shake, should see this dislodge the lead easily. Be careful to cast accurately or you'll lose a few leads. Doesn't hurt to double bag it on a tricky cast, will give you a bit more time if you need to retrieve and recast.

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1 minute ago, Big Common said:

You can always pinch the swivel eye with some forceps, just a tad to make it slightly oval in shape. Or if you are dropping the lead and your leader is running on the outside of the lead to a tail rubber you can trim the thin end of the tail rubber, and take a bit off the insert before you slide it on and don't push it right up tight..... TBH I dislike tail rubbers and opt for a softer silicon sleeve which makes it easier for the lead to dislodge. If you don't have any, then trim the tail rubber right down so about 5mm of the thicker end is left. A quick head shake, should see this dislodge the lead easily. Be careful to cast accurately or you'll lose a few leads. Doesn't hurt to double bag it on a tricky cast, will give you a bit more time if you need to retrieve and recast.

Thanks for the advice. 

What's your thoughts on the below images. I've taken out the hard plastic sleeve supplied with the lead and used a korda tail rubber which seems to fit perfectly inside the lead with the swivel in the end. Not sure if this is something anyone else has tried? When I put my rig on the swivel and shake it a little the lead pulls away do not does seem alot safer than the hard plastic supplied with the lead. 

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I would still get rid of the thin end of the tail rubber. There's no requirement for it and it can grip onto any leader and jam. Don't forget the rubber will behave differently under 8ft of cold water and most likely contract. Not suure how you are trying to dislodge the lead with this set up. Or is it a semi-fixed set up you want? In which case , as you are casting the whole rig out in a bag, then just use 5mm of the tail rubber.

Along time back, I used to cut 5mm off the fat end of the insert and push it into the fat end of the lead. I would then trim the thin end of the insert down to 5mm and place it in the thin end of the lead with the remainder of the fat end sticking out (which can also be trimmed if needed). This will leave you with something that will accommodate a swivel at both ends. So when you set up with a sliding swivel threaded onto a leader and a fixed swivel on the end. You can push the fixed swivel into the fat end and the adjustable sliding swivel into the other. You can loop to loop your rig onto the fixed swivel at the fat end of the rig. Your leader will run around the outside of the lead..... Don't forget this is a bag we are fishing, so as long as you get the lot in a bag neatly, it won't pull apart unless you get a pick up. The lead always dislodges on the take.

Hope you can follow that.

 

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