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How you choose a Boilie!

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I make most of my own bait; but from your list, here's my take:

Price - Would largely depend on circumstances

Smell and Flavour - Not at all, imo completely irrelevant in any bait

Reputation - Would sway me, but only reputation gained from genuine comments like all (well nearly all) the wonderful people on here

Catch Reports - Wouldn't trust the information (except on here)

Company Name - There's only a couple that I would trust

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Back when Korda Tackle, was nowt more than a distant idea, and Ford's made the Sierra Cosworth, I made my own baits which allowed me a modest catch rate. However I got involved with a bunch of guys on my main water that used a very well known ready made bait and accompanying glug which they got at a much reduced rate. The catches that we had, and the ease of availability, led to me joining in the fun rather than spending hours in my garage rolling my own stuff, (some of which was good, but a lot of it wasn't). So you could say it was catches that led me to it, but these were genuine catches, not fakes (ie catching on Tiger Nuts, but claiming it was Bloggs Bait specials, in the press).

Anyway time moved on, (as it does), I moved on, and I'm turning out my own stuff again, A) because the recipe that the firm used changed and it wasn't as good, B) my own stuff works as well, if not better than a great number of the ready made baits, C) because its low price, helps me to use lots of it, and D) because I am probably the only one using the bait, so nobody else is catching "my" fish, and making the fish wary. 

BOF :wink:

 

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Cheers lads, the thing is now there are 500 different companies with 20 different glugs etc and i just wondered how people cut through the marketing etc. to make a decision.

Completely ignore any marketing most of it is lies these days anyway, I would look at the long term success of the bait you are interested in using and there are plenty of them out there Trigga, B5, Malarky, Matrix the list goes on (all those are by different companies).  The one thing these baits all have in common is they catch and continue to catch fish every season since there conception. Making a long term bait that will catch and keep on catching takes a lot of work, just about anyone can make a bait that will catch in the short term but the fish soon wise up if using on the same water over a prolonged period.

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Like someone said any bait can catch Carp once, the trick is to keep catching them. I know, 'cause back in the 80 / 90's an awful lot of my bait recipes did just that, ie catch ONE curious Carp, and then............... nothing !

BOF  :wink:

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1 minute ago, Big Common said:

Usually try to share stuff on here bud, that's what forums are for......... tight lines to ya.

 

My favourite bait company is one that I will share as I get to know and trust a few people on here mate. 

 

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I just edited my reply. It's up to people to ask via pm and I will tell them the whole story mate. I had a long journey and I fish very busy waters. I need to keep my edges, but you know. Aint telling you which bait and combinations though, lol, feel free to PM me and we'll see. I'm made up with them though they are old school cool top boys

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I have ended up on mine after trying it for a campaign on a tricky gravel pit, 2 months in and I had 4 fish, including the lake record, which still stands today. Had a wobble when he went france and I needed bait so I got some cheap from a friend (solar stuff) even the coots wouldnt have it. Tried the CCMoore, again through a friend. Didn't rate it (the pacific tuna that is) and then went back to where I am now. He's just made me a consultant which is nice of him! and it gives me a few perks, as well as running the social media catch reports which keeps me busy on a sunday evening. This is the type of company that I went to collect the bait first time (local to me) and I was in the unit for 3 hours chatting away. Now I'm trusted I know a few secrets. All of these baits are complex HNV baits, none of them have less than 8 (but I think that may be 10 now) ingredients.

Price: Lower than the general public but if I wasnt in the position I am with the company i'd still pay the £8/kg

Smell and Flavor - Currently testing a tuna/krill bait, will be switching to a mix of the nutmix and Creamy CSL for winter. Other baits include Caviar, monster crab and plum (my fave), meaty/spicy, giant shellfish.

Reputation - Been around since the 90s making his own bait, it's caught some very sought after fish in the Nene Valley and at Fen Drayton amongst various other places. Some BIG river fish and some big french fish too (on places like Etang 5, etc.). Back in the day Mr Shelley wanted in, but terms couldnt be agreed. He practically stalks my instagram nowadays liking the catch photos. Hopefully the reputation will grow and grow but for one guy in a small unit, in the bait world climate we are in it needs a lot of pushing.

Catch Reports - On the test bait I'm currently 

Company Name - Responsive Baits

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My current bait I got onto through a recommendation from someone I trust a lot, simple as that. I was in a bit of a bait limbo at the time after walking away from my last bait team. Ordered a bit, liked the look of it, caught on it, job done. Very, very happy with it.

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Ok secrecy is boring.

I'm on a premier baits boilie and all the trimmings and very happy with it caught loads so far and cats like it as well if that's yer thing

They have been around for donkey's years and don't need to hype themselves up. They made the first fishmeal readymade ever, about 30 years ago, and it has been working all this time. They have a very loyal following

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Years ago a big bait baron owner geezer told me that crab and blackcurrant was deadly together, or was it crab and plum, can't remember

it was the bloke from CCmoore, and he was talking ab out tweaking Odyssey XXX so if anybody is on that gear and interested, give them a shout!

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Years ago a big bait baron owner geezer told me that crab and blackcurrant was deadly together, or was it crab and plum, can't remember

That would depend on how much effect you think some flavours have in a bait :) outside of helping to open your wallet to pay for it.

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Rod Hutchinson no less said that a good flavour or flavour combo was ALL you needed to catch carp mate, i.e on a basic cheap 50 50 mix

Obviously he goes on to state that a decent foodmix basemix was vital for PROLONGING the eating of that bait, but anyway I think he knew a bit!

Anyway the quote you isolated was part of a quote about tweaking a popular bait with your own label

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lol

To be fair mate I don't think the astonishing success of Mainline is down to a cheap 50 50 basemix!?

I'm fond of Activ 8, I don't use it any more though, mainly because too many other anglers on my lake were on it

I'm using another fishmeal though, perhaps if I'd really thought about it I should have tried a birdfood bait but I am just confident on fishmeals simple as

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Rod Hutchinson no less said that a good flavour or flavour combo was ALL you needed to catch carp mate

Did he ?, that's funny because in the Carp Strikes Back he talks about not combining the flavour bases as one possibly detracts from the others effectivness

 

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2 minutes ago, Lee Kashan said:

To be fair mate I don't think the astonishing success of Mainline is down to a cheap 50 50 basemix!?

have you seen a mainline boilie? they've not had a fishmeal bait for years... springy and hard, frozen or shelflife. They are successful due to marketing power and their reputation. 

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have you seen a mainline boilie? they've not had a fishmeal bait for years... springy and hard, frozen or shelflife. They are successful due to marketing power and their reputation. 

And basic enzyme based voodoo going off this mornings chats elsewhere, but that only comes in to play when using the activator with said product

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Mainline are astonishingly successful. I wouldn't say that was open to debate? Cell is the number one boilie in the UK and has been for years. I wouldn't say that was all down to hype and advertising?

There is something in them that carp love. IF they did that on the cheap then that makes them clever! (But the fact is that carp thrive on it as well)..

I don't use it because I like to be different. That approach did not work in the past though, until I discovered the bait I'm on which I am more than happy to settle on

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