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Why make things more complicated than they need to be? What are them rigs achieving that a standard hair rig wouldnt? Not saying they wont work but i just think keeping things simple works best.

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Started off with combi hair rigs...trimmed the hair off and fitted hook beads n micro swivel also with some putty at the end of the striped back braid...only the 2nd different rig ive used...ever

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Thanks common...but di want to keep it simple...1st time usin pop ups too...but should i use the floss to tie round or use it through and blob at the end??

If i use it through will it not take on water and start to gradually sink ??

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Easiest would be to use a bait screw imo. Saves a lot of fiddling about...... Best piercing them through for now, as tying on pop ups takes a bit of getting used to, have a practice first I'm sure there's 1 or 2 yt vids........ Might be even better to use muti rig, simple and effective if you haven't fished Pop ups before.........

Good effort on the rigs though, you'll need a weight on the left hand rigs and if I was being critical, I might personally have a slightly less aggressive angle on the shrink tube, just to keep the gape a bit more open, but that's just me.

There's also no need to put a swivel at the end, over hand loop quicker and easier.

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Thanks guys...still new only couple of months into the carp game..used to be a matchman..mainly bamded pellet all the time..tried mini boilies with method feeder...but geddin on abit know😁😁.

Have these rigs also with just hairs on upto 16mm baits..

Ronnies n chods can wait when more confident..maybe summer..dont fix wots not broke.

Cheers guys

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As said. Multi rigs are even simpler for pop ups. I use them religiously. pop ups and balanced baits. Can't go wrong.

your rigs will work but in my opinion the pop up is set too high, if you're fishing over scattered boilies over light weed and silt then yes, have the pop up set that high. But then your hooklink looks too short. It will just get dragged in to it and ask the hookpoint. If fishing over harder bottom I'd want the pop up shorter, just over the hook height. 

Id also recommend using a chod hook for pop ups not a long shank. It will grab the lip better

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Personally speaking I think you have decreased the hooking potential with the angled kicker.  If you draw a line from the top of the kicker to the hook point your see how much you have closed off the hook & now have quite a narrow margin for the hook to grab .

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Korda Kaptor Curve size 6/8 any better...just ordered 2 lots of 10 in each size...gonna change the tube colour n braid to brown as the lake i fish is a clay bottom..

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my personal choice would have been for a curve shank, maybe a mugga #4, i dont like the point on the Kaptor it looks like it was sharpened with a pencil sharpener so it is a round point on a squared off wire section?

i always reprofile my hooks to a tro-car style, much more effective.

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Highy, check these guys out. I've used the rig aligners as a link...... I get a few bits and bobs through their site. Just sounds like you are buying quite a few rig bits at the moment, not cheap if you are buying Korda all day long....... Of course, if that is your preferred tackle firm, then fare enough..... But while you are experimenting with rigs, you may save a few quid....... I'm not affiliated to these guys, just use them myself.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rig-Aligners-Carp-Fishing-Terminal-Tackle-Hook-Line-Aligner-3-Styles-3-Colours-/371734318934?var=&hash=item568d178f56:m:metPw8v2R-j8MSJK4RWLsvg

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23 minutes ago, Old Joe Hook said:

Why have swivels on your hook unless you have been watching too many blaggy videos?

Must admit I don't see the logic in it either. Prefer the hook to turn instantly when a bait is sucked at, no point in a spinning bait........ Someone probably stuck one on at some point, just to give a rig a name, lol.

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21 hours ago, Highy said:

If i use it through will it not take on water and start to gradually sink ??

Yes it will, but it takes a long time usually for this to affect your presentation. If you are fishing a really slow venue where you leave them out for 24hrs plus, then perhaps then, it would be something to take into account..... No matter what you do with a pop up it will eventually lose buoyancy. I wouldn't worry too much if your baits are in the water for 10/12 hours tops...... Chod rigs bit different and you are best going for a super buoyant bait imo, especially if using a Ronnie rig as the weight of the metal work comes into play..... It's a good idea to check them in the margins before you cast and compare it with another margin check when you reel in, you will have a rough idea as to how they perform and for how long. As I mentioned earlier, I just prefer a bait screw, imo they have a better chance of staying on if you get picked up by a coot, others may disagree.

Before I started using bait screws, I would use a bait band pulled through. In my minds eye, the rubber band would help create a seal to help prevent water ingress. Not sure if this actually happened. But just made sense at the time.

Pop ups can be a bit of a mine field as far as buoyancy issues go, there are so many out there. If you get stuck, just ask on here and I'm sure someone can recommend a decent pop up for you. The Sticky ones you've bought should be ok. I've used their pink krill pop ups and found them to be ok, albeit they were only out in the lake for 10 hours tops.

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Hello Highy

IMO if you can tie rigs like the ones you have shown you can easily tie a Ronnie Rig , or as Greekskii says a Multi Rig .

Personally I would go for a Gardner Mugga Sz. 6 and have the Hook Stop set lower down the hook shank opposite the point of the hook . I'm also a floss man , using a Hook Ring Swivel .

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On 6 October 2017 at 21:18, LJC carper said:

Why make things more complicated than they need to be? What are them rigs achieving that a standard hair rig wouldnt? Not saying they wont work but i just think keeping things simple works best.

I'm the same as LJC, don't make things more complicated than they need to be. A standard knotless knotted rig probably catches most of the carp each week, and works for bottom baits and pop-ups.

They look like pop-up rigs, with movement, but as Vik says, the pop-up may have too much separation from the hook. For pop-ups, I prefer the bait tight to the hook, although a long hair can cause confusion as per Bill Cottam and Brian Garner when The Mangrove was first opened up.

 

My go-to pop-up (and snowman) is often a D-rig, (and often on a longer shank hook), a bit of movement, it resets and hookholds are usually nailed properly. 

Me personally, I tie pop-ups on, although I recently had a revelation with that as I have been meshing baits. Mesh the bait, a twist of braid (dental floss) and knot it, leave the tag ends, then cut the mesh and lighter tag it. Using the braid tie the pop-up to a rig ring on the D-rig. 

 

The bait screws are brilliant, don't get me wrong, but crayfish can remove the bait without your knowledge, or any indication.

Last year on Nazeing they were so bad, even meshed pop-ups got munched! I ended up using wooden balls as 'permanent' pop-ups with a blooming great match anglers olivettes as the counterweight. In fact I ended up with tench over 12 and carp to 28lb doing that.

 

 

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