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Difference between dwarf and scope

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Anyone know the diffenrce  bewteen the scope rods loand the dwarf rods like the look of both the scope tt from try  and the ad cork ones. 

I know there priced differently  and the tt have 50mm butt ring 

Looking at 3.25 on the scope or 3.5 in the dwarfs  as will use them with 3-4 oz leads with a back lead  or a big dead bait

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One of the two are ridiculously dear 😂😂. I'll be honest mate, I wouldn't wanna cast a 4oz lead or a big dead bait at distance on my dwarfs. I can hear the snap from here lol. Great bit of kit but I wouldn't trust them casting big weight at distance. I may be wrong but I really feel the tc label on these rods is a bit over zealous. I've put my 3.5 ten feet against a 2.75 fox rod and the fox rod felt stiffer at .75 less tc. Don't get me wrong I love my dwarfs. I have two sets. One 1.75 I use for all manner of fishing. And the 3.5s I use for carping, sometimes when it's suited to them. Both 10 feet. But for me they suit small water fishing or margin area fishing. Days when I'm on the roam fishing light they are the perfect kit. Even fighting the fish they feel a little edgey at times. Their action doesn't seem forgiving. But they have their use. @B.C. got rid of his cause he didn't like their action and said it felt dangerous playing the fish 

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26 minutes ago, Dannygooner said:

One of the two are ridiculously dear 😂😂. I'll be honest mate, I wouldn't wanna cast a 4oz lead or a big dead bait at distance on my dwarfs. I can hear the snap from here lol. Great bit of kit but I wouldn't trust them casting big weight at distance. I may be wrong but I really feel the tc label on these rods is a bit over zealous. I've put my 3.5 ten feet against a 2.75 fox rod and the fox rod felt stiffer at .75 less tc. Don't get me wrong I love my dwarfs. I have two sets. One 1.75 I use for all manner of fishing. And the 3.5s I use for carping, sometimes when it's suited to them. Both 10 feet. But for me they suit small water fishing or margin area fishing. Days when I'm on the roam fishing light they are the perfect kit. Even fighting the fish they feel a little edgey at times. Their action doesn't seem forgiving. But they have their use. @B.C. got rid of his cause he didn't like their action and said it felt dangerous playing the fish 

A ok maybe ill aviod dwarf then haha. Shame the scopes are so so much money but the tt ones do look  good. And I havnt heard one bad thing about them and I get the same tc I'm used too  Sonik have done the own  which are same lenght as the scopes so should fit in the quiver the same with reel pouches and there only about 80 quid each. 

 

But there 40mm rings and   seem rarer then rocking horse tied to find out about 

I'm planning doing dping a few nights on places i shouldnt (nothing illegal though haha)  hence the packdown size being important. Want be as small as possible

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I don't think the scopes are much different in the way they handle mate. I'm not knocking them as for me, they have their uses and I use mine regularly. I don't know the build difference between the dwarfs and scopes but I've laid mine next to the scopes and I couldn't see much difference other than aesthetics. Though I'm no expert. I'm sure someone on here will be able to tell you the difference. For the type of fishing your on about the 3.5 dwarf are ideal probably. You can pick up a set in good nick second hand relatively cheap on eBay. I just don't like them for distance work or if it's weedy. If you do buy second hand ask to look at the butt caps. They scuff really easy and look battered. I look after mine but I've seen other people's and they look awful. The caps on the dwarfs and scopes are Defo the same material as I've seen both scuffed up.

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22 minutes ago, Dannygooner said:

I don't think the scopes are much different in the way they handle mate. I'm not knocking them as for me, they have their uses and I use mine regularly. I don't know the build difference between the dwarfs and scopes but I've laid mine next to the scopes and I couldn't see much difference other than aesthetics. Though I'm no expert. I'm sure someone on here will be able to tell you the difference. For the type of fishing your on about the 3.5 dwarf are ideal probably. You can pick up a set in good nick second hand relatively cheap on eBay. I just don't like them for distance work or if it's weedy. If you do buy second hand ask to look at the butt caps. They scuff really easy and look battered. I look after mine but I've seen other people's and they look awful. The caps on the dwarfs and scopes are Defo the same material as I've seen both scuffed up.

Yeah not  looking for massive distance.  Makes no sense buying  10 foot rods  if I want distance  haha.  I'll be keeping my big rod for if I go back to big water( but I dont think I will)

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2 minutes ago, Tree123 said:

Yeah not  looking for massive distance.  Makes no sense buying  10 foot rods  if I want distance  haha.  I'll be keeping my big rod for if I go back to big water( but I dont think I will)

Exactly. For a bit of mobile angling I love them. Can't go wrong. 

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7 minutes ago, Dannygooner said:

Exactly. For a bit of mobile angling I love them. Can't go wrong. 

 There's only one lake where i might need to go over 60 yards.  But i  very rarely  go there  and it 'll only take 10 mins to swap my totally over

 I'll give them a punt if I dont like them ill  I dont like I'll sell them on and get the scopes.  Will still have to get the scope quiver and reel pouches  as dont think ill be able to fit what i need into the dwarf rod holdall

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18 minutes ago, Tree123 said:

 There's only one lake where i might need to go over 60 yards.  But i  very rarely  go there  and it 'll only take 10 mins to swap my totally over

 I'll give them a punt if I dont like them ill  I dont like I'll sell them on and get the scopes.  Will still have to get the scope quiver and reel pouches  as dont think ill be able to fit what i need into the dwarf rod holdall

Dwarf do a sleeves and a quiver that holds 5 rods I think. My dwarf holdal fits 3 made up rods, landing net pole and net, and an umbrella. Ideal for short day sessions. That a ruck sack and a light chair and im mobile with everything I need, and without a back ache at the end of the day lol. No barrow needed 

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31 minutes ago, Tree123 said:

Ok great will be o4dering some next week.  Just the normal dwarfs not paying 40 quid extra just for  cork ones 

enjoy them mate! Would love to know how you get on on your guesting missions haha

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7 minutes ago, Tree123 said:

Theese are couple  I had  last year both had the curtains intact.  Not huge but more then likey uncaught and went wild when hooked 

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I crave waters with unknown and uncaught fish , good work mate 

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4 minutes ago, Dannygooner said:

I crave waters with unknown and uncaught fish , good work mate 

Yeah know that feeling.  That's why I fish the river a lot too.  I used to fish a 120 acre club lake  that only had about  15 of us on it man I miss that water but just can't put the time in now. 

 

I did one session "gusting" last year but  will be down there loads next season

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On 24/11/2018 at 21:27, Tree123 said:

Theese are couple  I had  last year both had the curtains intact.  Not huge but more then likey uncaught and went wild when hooked 

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Purely from an information point of view, having their curtains intact doesn't mean that they're uncaught. I've caught fish that I know for a fact have been caught plenty of times before that still have an intact curtain.

Lovely fish all the same and definitely not trying to detract from their capture.

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Owdo chaps... FYI the difference between Scope and Dwarf's are less resin in the Scope rods (lighter but slightly more brittle) and the rod furniture... (lighter rings and fixtures) I have the Dwarf 2's  as my sole carbon setup now (9' 2.75lb ) as for worrying about playing fish on them... stress not, they'll do what you ask of em... I had a 20' on mine in Sept... it never felt stressed.... don't put Dwarf rods in Scope skins... they don't fit  however Scope rods in Dwarf skins do... it's down to the reel position on the rods... the Scope has a slightly longer handle

Big pits look a tad odd on a 9' rod, (that said the Shimano 10000XTE Baitrunner looks okay...) my 9 footers sport Shimano 4000 Aero X Baitrunners... sexy as.... 

 

As for the rods being fragile.... well I look after me toys and (touch wood and whistle) I've had no breakages yet, despite casting 2oz leads 60-80 yards (I'd be wary of chucking a bigger lead of say 4oz, I reckon that's where the fragility comes into play... you have to alter your style of fishing to match the rods slightly... as I fish smaller waters that don't require a big heave, I'm in the rods comfort zone... I'm on my second set of Dwarfs... I sold the first set on when I saw the new minimalist Mk II's... (fell in love with them)

 

Tip..... a lot of the breakages come from folks trying to pull line by hand with the reel in freespool mode  with the hand pulling the line down by the reel... this is a no-no for any rod and WILL break the tips on them, also set your drag a little lighter.... just because they are short rods, they are not the bruiser that everyone thinks they are...  take it easy and play your fish carefully... they'll last for years...

 

Hope this helps...👍😎 

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