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Hookpulls and how to cure them

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Do you move the hook bead at all elmo? 

I try to keep it at the end the shank, before the curve, so the bait screw (I use micro swivel with dental floss) only moves on the shank. Imo meaning more of the hook is in its mouth,  always goes centre  bottom lip.  

I use floss on the micro swivel as I think it allows the hook bait to move more naturally. 

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1 hour ago, commonly said:

Do you move the hook bead at all elmo? 

I try to keep it at the end the shank, before the curve, so the bait screw (I use micro swivel with dental floss) only moves on the shank. Imo meaning more of the hook is in its mouth,  always goes centre  bottom lip.  

I use floss on the micro swivel as I think it allows the hook bait to move more naturally. 

Yes that was a bit of a rushed one this is more like the finished article, 

I find floss and microswivels too time consuming and annoying lol, I much prefer the ease of a bait screw tbh this is what I use for a wafter rig around 5 - 6, inches 16002837749682596627784712206541.thumb.jpg.7378f0598e9fb32cde7579387b7ef7ac.jpg

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9 hours ago, framey said:

Pop the line out before the end of the shrink tube 

yes it’s a pain to do but it works better 
im sure I used to do miles better years ago using a proper line aligned set up 

I might try it next time I had already done a few before I spotted this, 

Personally I think I've done better since I simplified the rigs, the less there is to go wrong the less I worry about them 👍

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On 15/09/2020 at 14:35, yonny said:

Lads, a hook is essentially a very stiff spring (they're made from high carbon spring steel). They need to flex to absorb the forces loaded during the fight. If they didn't flex, they would snap. Flexing is absolutely critical to any hook. Without it they cannot absorb the load/force.

 

On 15/09/2020 at 15:20, Pete Springate's Guns said:

Agreed. But surely too much flex must impact the security of the hookhold? i.e. a hook ‘opens’ momentarily due to a powerful, lunging fish and the hook slips/pulls?

I went through a series of hookpulls years ago on Fox Series 2's in size 6 and 8.

During the fight the hook was opening out enough to pull free, and then springing back into shape. It was only when one stayed 'straight' that I figured what was happening. The fish were fighting very hard, in a silty water,  from the off, normally hooked close to the rods. 

 

My usual course of action on hookpulls is to lengthen the hair, working on my theory; 

Hooked at the extreme edge of the mouth/lip, getting hookpulls then lengthen the hair. 

Hooked deep down in the mouth shorten the hair. 

Dead centre of the lip, perfick. 

 

While this is all well and good, sometimes simply increasing the amount of free bait around the hookbait can also improve your hookholds. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said:

 

I went through a series of hookpulls years ago on Fox Series 2's in size 6 and 8.

During the fight the hook was opening out enough to pull free, and then springing back into shape. It was only when one stayed 'straight' that I figured what was happening. The fish were fighting very hard, in a silty water,  from the off, normally hooked close to the rods. 

 

My usual course of action on hookpulls is to lengthen the hair, working on my theory; 

Hooked at the extreme edge of the mouth/lip, getting hookpulls then lengthen the hair. 

Hooked deep down in the mouth shorten the hair. 

Dead centre of the lip, perfick. 

 

While this is all well and good, sometimes simply increasing the amount of free bait around the hookbait can also improve your hookholds. 

 

 

Thanks nick 

Well I've changed hook to a wide gape and still had a hook pull so I guess it's not the hook, i think it has to be the bait screw tbh,and having the bait to close to the hook, I have two options can either switch to the swivel bait screw or go back to using a hair instead of a bait screw 

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33 minutes ago, elmoputney said:

Thanks nick 

Well I've changed hook to a wide gape and still had a hook pull so I guess it's not the hook, i think it has to be the bait screw tbh,and having the bait to close to the hook, I have two options can either switch to the swivel bait screw or go back to using a hair instead of a bait screw 

Hi Elmo .

I use a combi rig with an ESP Gripper hook with a hair .

Using pop ups , almost all my hookholds are in the scissors , but after reading your post I altered the rig so that the hair came off the middle of the bottom of the hook ; I've had one fish hooked middle of the bottom lip , so I'll see if this was a one off , or I carry on with improved  hookholds 🤔

😃

 

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2 hours ago, elmoputney said:

I had put my middle rod on a ronnie rig with a curve shank absolutely nailed the bottom lip one 20+ mirror in the retainer from a little spot I've often ignored but seem to catch from when I don't 😂 

Now I just have 2 wafters out there till sunrise 😬 I think they need a longer hair next tbh 

Tight lines , Elmo , and congratulations on the 20+ , I'll look for the 'photos on another thread .

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Well I switched to Ronnie's but back onto the curves not sure If it's still the bait screw or the actual hooks, I think I've found a way to overcome it, change hook brands , and switch to a multi rig but use heat shrink to create the kicker, this will leave the bait screw farther away from the shank hopefully causing less issues 😁

Overthinking it maybe, need to change it somehow definately, gonna be moving swims so a fresh start won't hurt with rigs too, nice and simple pop up rig which should hopefully reduce the number of hookpulls IMG_20200922_095229.thumb.jpg.1b4485a3302477e7fac38a0371872c08.jpg

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I've been watching through the crypography back issues when I get a chance, I happened to chance upon one with elliot grey showing his rig off, so I made one as its not dissimilar to the one I made but using a knot less knot hair and a proper line aligner (as suggested by framey) this is both of them in a jug, I quite like the hair it just looks less blatent and it doesn't rattle, just a bit more delicate and tuneable if required 

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