Choprider 110 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 I normally sharpen my own and check them after each cast, if in any doubt I would then throw them away, I usually put a bit of vaselin on the sharpened points. But recently I have tried Kamakura wide gape hooks, these things are very sharp and I have had carp on them that I could have possibly missed on in sharpened hooks ( I have found these hooks can be damaged very easily ) but after reading this thread I have looked on Johnson Ross tackle website and will probably try their ready sharpened hook.. as it has got to be easier than doing it myself with vice and magnifier... must be getting old 😉 Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,570 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, elmoputney said: I did have a thought about the rusting though, most hookbaits are designed to locally change pH with the flavours etc to boost attraction. Most people boost the stinky winky out of hookbaits too, do you think this might make them rust quicker as surely the acids are leaking from the hookbait and adding to the corrosion? That's something I've never considered tbh. I've not struggled with it personally and I've used glugged baits/sharpened hooks extensively. I do know through experience that water bodies can change pH for periods of the year which is a strange one. I assume it's due to dying plant matter or some other biological event. Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elmoputney 3,480 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 39 minutes ago, yonny said: That's something I've never considered tbh. I've not struggled with it personally and I've used glugged baits/sharpened hooks extensively. I do know through experience that water bodies can change pH for periods of the year which is a strange one. I assume it's due to dying plant matter or some other biological event. It's only if I dont remember to put wax or anything on the tip they seem to corrode a a lot quicker, It just struck me I've listened to loads of carp angler chronicles podcasts and they always Wang on about bait in detail, I guess some must be sinking in 😲 Carpmaster and yonny 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,570 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Choprider said: recently I have tried Kamakura wide gape hooks, these things are very sharp and I have had carp on them that I could have possibly missed on in sharpened hooks ( I have found these hooks can be damaged very easily ) The problem with the Kamakuras is they're only sharpened on one plane, opposite the barb, by machine. This gives them a sharp spade tip which is proper lethal but super fragile. The most fragile of the lot, but still awesome in terms of sharpness. Edited February 19 by yonny Choprider 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Choprider 110 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, yonny said: The problem with the Kamakuras is they're only sharpened on one plane, opposite the barb, by machine. This gives them a sharp spade tip which is proper lethal but super fragile. The most fragile of the lot, but still awesome in terms of sharpness. I agree about the sharpening on the Kamakura hooks, when I finish a trip they get taken off and thrown away.. whether I have had a fish or not as they can come back easily damaged ( bent point ) I quite like the pattern of the wide gape version.. and will try and find something similar on the Johnson Ross website as you recommend earlier in the thread. yonny 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carpmaster 487 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 47 minutes ago, yonny said: The problem with the Kamakuras is they're only sharpened on one plane, opposite the barb, by machine. This gives them a sharp spade tip which is proper lethal but super fragile. The most fragile of the lot, but still awesome in terms of sharpness. I luv’d the g- point gamagatsu but you can’t get them anymore if you could I’d go back to them in a flash one of the best hooks I ever used Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salokcinnodrog 3,536 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 21 hours ago, ouchthathurt said: How many of us sharpen our hooks? I have a set of files that I use to touch up my hook points, but I don’t tend to go mad, I use a finishing/polishing file 90% of the time. I check and discard any hook that doesn’t meet my expectations and change my hooks after every fish or every (blank) session anyway, but giving the hook point a “tidy up” makes me confident. I rarely cast a rig out that I’ve not touched up the hook point first. Yet with modern chemically sharpened hooks, and the price paid for them, shouldn’t they be sharp enough straight from the packet? What are your thoughts? We are long past the days of blunt hooks in the pack. I have the view that now they should be sharp enough to use straight out of the packet. If they are not sharp enough, find another manufacturer that does produce good hooks. I have used various makes over the years, Partridge, Owner, Drennan/ESP/Kamasan (Kamatsu), Gardner, Solar and Gamakatsu. Back in the 1990's Partridge were my standard hook, Piggybacks, I had no problems, nor with Drennan Super Specialists, and the Super Specialist's were chemically sharpened back then. I then made A switch to mega sharp Owner FLB's, they were scary sharp, as were Gamakatsu. Shame the GP204's aren't still about! I'm currently using Kamasan B175's, Solar 101's, Gardner Muggas, and Mystic VMC's. The VMC's hold their points and are very sharp as are the other hooks I use. Of all the hooks, I will not use Korda, I found they didn't hold a point, and the Kurv's were not sharp enough. If a manufacturer's product isn't good enough I won't use them. Carpmaster 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ouchthathurt 597 Posted Friday at 19:58 Author Report Share Posted Friday at 19:58 My go to curve type pattern is the Nash fang x pattern, they are sharp out of the packet and I just give the points a polish rather than trying to sharpen the granny out of them, I do worry about making the points more brittle. I have used the Korda kurves in size 4 for Ronnie rigs, but regardless of wether I catch on them or not, they are discarded at the end of each session as I’ve noticed that they don’t hold a point either. I’ve not tried the kamakura sharpened patterns, so I couldn’t comment on those patterns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carpmaster 487 Posted Friday at 20:13 Report Share Posted Friday at 20:13 12 minutes ago, ouchthathurt said: My go to curve type pattern is the Nash fang x pattern, they are sharp out of the packet and I just give the points a polish rather than trying to sharpen the granny out of them, I do worry about making the points more brittle. I have used the Korda kurves in size 4 for Ronnie rigs, but regardless of wether I catch on them or not, they are discarded at the end of each session as I’ve noticed that they don’t hold a point either. I’ve not tried the kamakura sharpened patterns, so I couldn’t comment on those patterns. I head someone methionine a talon tip a while ago on here can’t remember by who now I used them for a very short spell on a few different rigs an found they caused a little more mouth damage than normal has anyone used these or thoughts guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,570 Posted Friday at 22:37 Report Share Posted Friday at 22:37 4 hours ago, salokcinnodrog said: We are long past the days of blunt hooks in the pack. That depends on what your idea of sharp is. Imo chemically sharpened hooks are blunt. All of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emmcee 1,527 Posted Saturday at 07:31 Report Share Posted Saturday at 07:31 (edited) Well since my venture into sea fishing over the last 3 years I've stumbled across various hooks and patterns from makes I'd not heard of. One particular brand do a chod style hook and it's the sharpest hook I've ever got straight of a packet and at £2-45 for 10 they are cheap as chips. No carp tax on these. I've just got to use them carp fishing now 😂 Edited Saturday at 07:34 by emmcee kevtaylor, Carpmaster, yonny and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elmoputney 3,480 Posted Tuesday at 10:41 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:41 Dunno if I've just had a wobble but, I've decided to maybe just try to use a multi rig for pop ups and wafters and bottom baits, it's a multi rig lol it was designed to do them all, I decided tonight to try a curve shank hook rather than the square ones, I could use the finer shrink tube and it looked like it had a little more finesse about it, I also decided I think I prefer pre sharpened hooks, I sharpened a few and was never totally happy with them,the pre done ones were better, I might order some J precision curves and maybe a pack of longshank curves to try also, a lot of people seem to rate his hooks so worth a try I think, Carpmaster, finchey and yonny 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonny 4,570 Posted Tuesday at 11:30 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 11:30 42 minutes ago, elmoputney said: J precision curves They're decent mate. Jason Haywards Muggas are better but also more expensive. No sure why Korda don't do a Kamakura version of their Kurv pattern. The Krank is the closest they currently do to a curve shank. 44 minutes ago, elmoputney said: longshank curves Also decent. I used these extensively for a while. No good for a multi though imo. Handy for a ronnie/spinner type set up (replaces a 360 rig nicely). Have anther look at this if you're set on using pre-sharpened: Carpmaster and elmoputney 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emmcee 1,527 Posted Tuesday at 13:34 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 13:34 2 hours ago, elmoputney said: Dunno if I've just had a wobble but, I've decided to maybe just try to use a multi rig for pop ups and wafters and bottom baits, it's a multi rig lol it was designed to do them all, I decided tonight to try a curve shank hook rather than the square ones, I could use the finer shrink tube and it looked like it had a little more finesse about it, I also decided I think I prefer pre sharpened hooks, I sharpened a few and was never totally happy with them,the pre done ones were better, I might order some J precision curves and maybe a pack of longshank curves to try also, a lot of people seem to rate his hooks so worth a try I think, A mate of mine told me to use the curve shank with the multi rig years ago and in my opinion it's a game changer. Had a few hook pulls with chod style hooks on the multi but changing to curve shanks I've had no problems. A few of my other mates now use this hook pattern and don't suffer hook pulls either with this rig. elmoputney 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elmoputney 3,480 Posted Tuesday at 16:30 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:30 4 hours ago, yonny said: They're decent mate. Jason Haywards Muggas are better but also more expensive. No sure why Korda don't do a Kamakura version of their Kurv pattern. The Krank is the closest they currently do to a curve shank. Also decent. I used these extensively for a while. No good for a multi though imo. Handy for a ronnie/spinner type set up (replaces a 360 rig nicely). Have anther look at this if you're set on using pre-sharpened: Brilliant thanks for that, I have read it a few times, I'm still only just getting comfortable paying over a fiver a pack of hooks I'm not ready for Jason Hayward prices yet 😁 otherwise I probably would use them, baby steps lol, I do think the ib hooks I've had so far have been pretty good tbh they are sharp, I don't like the coating on the hooks though, I dunno they feel cheap,I bought some unsharpened ones too and they don't sharpen very well, I've ordered some size 5 chods, size 5 curves x 2 and a pack of long shank curves in size 6, I am also not sure the longshank curves will be ideal but I use shrink tube on my multi rigs and strip the loop completely of coating, so I am hoping that it may act a bit like a blow back rig also, but having tried a curve it didn't make much difference to the rig as a pop up, still sits the same with a similar stance but it looks more subtle and a bit less shark hook like 😳😬 and would work as a wafter rig too yonny and Carpmaster 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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